Industrial Mayhem anyone ?

[Razorbreed]

Hi I know how excellent my X6 sounds are for dance / techno type music - but I don't write that ! I was wondering if anyone else out there was using their Fantom for Industrial type stuff like Nine Inch Nails, Front 242 or Mortiis ? If they are then I'd be interested in swapping some hints and tips and sounds.

Razorbreed

[Alexander]

I sometimes try to create stuff like this, since I´m an oldschool ebm fan.
The Fantom is not perfect for such music, since it´s always a bit too clean. I´ve a Waldorf Q in addition to my Fantom-S to create aggressice sounding leads and basses, but it is possible to create some aggressive sounds. Try to use diffent structures and FXM, which is espcially good to create crisp and hard drum sounds.

Since most of the old ebm drums were made with 8 or 12 bit samplers it is always a good idea to use the internal LoFi FX algos. My secret weapon for lofi drums is an alesis bitrman. I got one for 20€ and it is very effective and dead easy to use.

Btw who is Mortiis ? I´ve never come accross this band name.

[Artemiy]

I won't agree, the Fantoms can sound as dirty as you want, especially with the LoFi family of processors. Please check out the Fantom TweakBook, especially the articles like "Acid Empire" and "My Synth Talks".

[theologiae]

lofi compression will be your thing. it makes everything punchy and dirty at the same time. i don't like the distrotion on the x (just my taste) but all the lofi's will make your day. but keep in mind that when using it, the drums or bass or whatever will come to the front of the mix and wash everything else out. you have to keep in mind what and where you use it or you'll spend hours mixing and mixing and mixing.
but the true power of the x is sampling. skinny puppy used a kerzwiel k2000, an akai and a mac from vivisect6 till the process. so what made their sound was sampling and processing those sounds. after you make it through the tweek book start sampling everything and seeing what you can make of it. listen to ministry's grace or dream song and get a feel for what they made the songs out of. just about a dozen loops that where processed to hell and back. as for nin, trent uses everything and demo's till the cows come home. it "get" that sound will take a long time. but i did a cover of a warm place and come very close to the vibe he has on the track, so it is very possible to get those sounds.

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[anti_pulse]

"skinny puppy used a kerzwiel k2000, an akai and a mac from vivisect6 till the process. so what made their sound was sampling and processing those sounds."

dwayne was just too ill with sampling and processing!! But I think the k2000 was too new to be used in vivisect (k2 came out in '90, vivisect was released in '88?), they also sampled the shit out of the yamaha sy22 (one of my favorite synths- just sick, like it better than my old wavestation), prophet 5 and ensonique esq.

Hey theo, I want to hear your cover of a warm place! I did one too a while ago ( I have it posted on my myspace)...

but on the subject, my buddy has an x6 and he writes some nasty gritty industrial noise on it- you just gotta dig a little deeper! I just pray to god you aren't making neo ebm music.

http://www.myspace.com/11505663

[Razorbreed]

Thanks guys, I don't want it too "low fi" though ! What about drums, they're a bit of a disappointment on the X6 anybody importing anything else to use as a sound set ?

Razorbreed

PS Mortiis is that funny Norwegian guy who dresses as a troll on stage, check out the album Grudge. He makes some excellent music in a sort of Nine Inch Nails type vein but in his own style.

[anti_pulse]

Yeah, I understand what you are saying, but all that industrial stuff that has been out for a while and even a good amount of new stuff uses old samplers that are either 12 bit or 16 bit, mix that with the origional noise floor of the samples used and thats the dirty grunge you are looking for- you can take something like a shitty behringer mixer and run your drum sounds from the fantom through it to color the sound a little and run back in to your fantom, resample at 16 (don't record the inputs too hot so that the s/n is high- ussually this is considered bad, but we want dirt) and lo-fi to 12 bit- add a MILD distortion, compress and normalize and you have now just mutilated your pristine fantom kits into dirty as kits perfect for industrial, nasty hip hop, dirty drum and bass or whatever. Run the sounds through envolpes, cut off attacks, lower octaves- I'm telling you, you got to process those sounds- they don't just make themselves, they never did. I don't use a fantom, but it doesn't matter, this would have to be done anyay. Or you can just go the easy route and give me or some company you $$ and I can do the work for you. Those are the only ways you are going to get those sounds- make em or pay.

http://www.myspace.com/11505663

[sambasevam]

Try pitching drums - gives you awesome results.
layer drums - sounds fat.
effects - mess with the dirty effects until you get a good sound.



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