RE:Memory amount and time ?

[jachin]

Hi

can anyone outline the mx memory in ram the v synth has when no internal memory is used .How mcuh ram of samples can i load in one hit and still encode them ?

cheers

jachin

[anti_pulse]

50 mb all together

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[jachin]

cheers

now this is where i get confused.Ive created a project using the software librarian (which doesnt allow more than 50mb of user wavs ) and ive loaded in already encoded waves .Ive then saved and created the project and its 49mb.I load and from my card into the Xt and it gets half way through on my Xt rack and says memory full and when i then go into the xt theres nothing loaded ?I'm confused, ive cleared out internal memory and yet i cant load 49mb of waveforms ?

cheers for any help

jachin

[jachin]

Well tye max i seem to be able to load from card to the ram (not flash ram ) is 30mb or 31 . . so i am guessing you cant load 5omb into ram but have to load 20mb into internal flash and 30mb into temp ram .All in all no wonder they only give sample times.This has to be the weakest internal ram setup i have ever used , the card /memory/internal/flash/tempory/setup and overall way they sorted this i think must have been some kind of joke designed to frustrate people. Really weird logic . . . yime to review the xt and synth ona few sites as i have a felin g many people will make a garce error in selling the Vp9000 for an xt or v synth.Their totally different.

V synth equals hybrid analogue with a variphrase addon in my book.Best part is the V cards - shame about the lack of memory and sample management etc .I had presumed i would be able to load 50mb of project from card into V synth with ease.Just to add to it try encoding 50mb of samples one click at a time.Time to buy back a vp

cheers

jachin

[anti_pulse]

yeah... I hear you. But it's not really a full on sampler... it's a synth with sampling capabilities... I wouldn't really consider the variphrase just an add on- it is fully capable of doing what it's supposed to do, which is stretch samples indepenent of time and pitch. Think about it like this- does the virus let you put in your own samples? How about a jp80x0? Moog doesn't let you do this either, plus it's monophonic and it costs $3000. Waldorf never made a synth that let you put in your own samples as waveforms either... 30mb uf user waveforms is pretty sweet in my book after looking at the previously mentioned. It's a synthesizer- you don't find it in the sampler section on rolands websight either. It's a sick synth too... those wierd filters are sweet. It has the ability to make sounds that are pretty much impossible to make with other hardware, and most software doesn't touch it with a stick- just a bunch of soft VA's. It has the most internal memory of any SYNTH I've ever used. If it was advertised as a complete sampler, I'd be pissed too, but it's not- so consider what its purpose is, I'm more than happy with it. Get a vp to go with it, they are only $300. They never said that it was a replacement for the vp- so why go slag it on review sites "warning" people cause you didn't do your homework before you dropped $2000. Being a sampler- that's not what it's primary function- all they said was that they used that variphrase technology from the vp9000 in the synth. They took something that most poeple didn't see the benefit of and turned it into something people are going gaga over, now people are pissed that it isn't a vp9000- sometimes you can never win when trying to please the public.

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[calyx93]

"Waldorf never made a synth that let you put in your own samples as waveforms either..."

Just a correction - the Microwaves allowed for user waveform/wavetable creation via third party apps... similar to what the PPG Wavterm offered.

[calyx93]

And they could be sample-based.

[anti_pulse]

oops... my bad, I didn't know they had third party apps for that... Ima have to check that out!

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[jachin]

Well not to belittle the v synth . . its a good synth like . . veyr good . . .in reality your right . . . my problems probably been in seeing it before buying it as a sampler keyboard and probably visualising myself doing what i would like to a bit to much.Its biggest shortfall is its ram and limiting it i cant understand .In fact i can.Its so roland dont lose Fantom sales . . . as theres simply no other excuse .Price of ram is suhc that there is no way it could upset the pricing more than in a minimal fashion .I would expect to see a full sacle variphrase sampler someday , roland have a unique and wonderfall engine there and yet no major hardware sampler station using it.Major as i said is usb to ram memory transfer with cards and nonsense , 512 ram or even 256 ! and dedicated to loading in archives of variphrase samples.A decent bulk convertor wouldnt be a bad idea and meaybe evolving the variphrase engine so it can doa few things like split a sample into segments and do stuff like join them all together in random orders .

The v synths great but the Vp is by far a better sampler . . . Vp 10000 i am waiting for with anticipation.PLease load soem decent ram roland . . . .

jachin

[anti_pulse]

I think they could have added more ram as well seeing as how cheap it is... It costs as much as a the X series workstations that have internal hard drives and have upgradable ram, and considering the synth is software based, I don't think they would have lost any money doing it this way, and I don't think it would have been a big problem to give it REAL multi timbral capabilities with at least three non global effects- this type of stuff was technolgy they already have and are selling for the same price in there workstations. I basically think they could have taken the major functions and hardware of the workstations and housed them in the current body of the v with strictly synth software that utililized the workstation hardware and they wouldn't have suffered any losses in terms of money. The V is out of most peoples spending range for a synth anyway and I would have gladly forked over a few hundred dollars extra for simple things like the previously mentioned... but the V is still worth every penny to me the way it is. Maybe when they come out with an mk2 they will take these sorts of thing into consideration.

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[jachin]

Yeah - still an amazing synth in some respects . . .shame the are treating variphrase as an addon and not really fully exploiting it but then again , as a business and being motivated by money and profit margins as much as creative vision means they ae probably easing it in and will over time dangle the carrot a bit more .Ive heard alot of people say that Variphrase has gone over the heads of most people but my feeling is that its one of the most important developements in many years and i just hope roland develope it.I guess you cant take the dance station much further ! and we have enough 303 sounds and solutions , analogue modelling is now years old .

Sad thing is developements seem to be ruled by music scene trends alot and the music scene seems ruled by something equally myopic.Roland wont do a

Vvynth granualtion morphiing , sampling wavesequeincing machine until they feel it will sell millions and make them profit.They did very well with the variphrase . . .something creative . . . and much music equipment is packaged profiterring , a balance is noce. . .i guess we'll see the dream v synth when they feel therea market for it . . . .i guess thats all a question of when mucians decide to step out of the box a bit more . . . .

jachin

[jachin]

I am still HIGHLy confused about internal ram . . . i cant seem to load more than about 30mb of stuff even with internal samples in flash ram all deleted and blank Project loaded . . . . so we have to be honest here . ..its a 30mb or so sampler with 20mb of flash ram.People will think they can load 50mb of samples . . . yes . . . but not as you can in most samplers . . .convoluted memory system ? 30's better than zero though or being stuck with marimba , piano and 303 waveforms !

jachin

[Artemiy]

There is apparently something you are doing wrong. V-Synth has 50 MB sample RAM and when you do not load the preset waves you can use all this area. Are you sure you deleted all waveforms from the "Wave" folder?

One thing you should also note is that when you encode a sample, it takes more space than a clean recording, since VariPhrase encoding data is added to it. This will approximately add from 10 to 30% to sample size - refer to the manual for exact numbers.

[JunK]

i have not been able to create projects larger than 30 mb either. and that is after removing ALL preset waves. maybe we are soing something wrong, but i can't think of anyway to do it differently. i take a project on my computer and remove all the files in the patch folder and all the files in the wave folder. then fill the wave folder up with my samples, and unless i keep it just under 30 mb, it won't load.

[Artemiy]

JunK:

After you encoded all samples with VariPhrase, how much free RAM do you see and how much does the project take on the card?