vector synthesis....

[anti_pulse]

">>but man- you gotta admit, fm synthesis and vector together could be very interesting...especialy when you can "record" vector movements...

You can already do that on just about any synth by just assigning a set of controllers to control oscillator levels."

How is this recording vector movements??? Assigning something to control oscillator levels wouldn't help with recording vector movements unless you had something like an external midi sequencer to record those movements- and then to figure out how its going to play those movements every time you strike the key is whole other endevour on its own, so I'm not quite to sure what you are getting at... could you explain this better for me?, I'm talking about these movements being audible and making even more on top of that- I'm not going to waste my time jimmy rigging or trying to emulate vector synthesis with subtractive synths or anything else- I thought they were very unique and even though i'm sure it's possible to get a similar sound or emulation it isnt the same although the alternatives are definetly worth trying just for the sake of doing something new, besides they come cheap enough -$300- so why mess with anything else.... I agree, I dont think i would get a synth that was a vector only, I've narrowed it down to the sy-22 or the wavestation sr or ex, and I have a couple of old doepfer filter modules to use with the sr's multiple outs if I pick it up as well....
thank you guys for your help and suggestions as well as clarifications- these definitions weren't as well defined on websights that I was looking at and it is greatly appreciated!!!

Well I'll be your huckleberry....

[Hugo]

I haven't tried all these synths mentioned, so I can only comment on the tg33 (which is a slightly better spec'ed sy-22); the tg33 is pretty cool, and has some nice FM synthesis, but I'm not that blown away by the vector thingy. It should be further developped, and if this is the case for the Wavestation, you should get that instead imo.

[frank-N-further]

Some Remarks to that topic:

* with the v-synth you can manualy get a vector synthesis by use the TT-pad with x and y-direction and use the control matrix with osc1-level for x and osc-2-level for y.
* also (but i havent tried yet) you can record the TT-pad with 32 steps in the Appegiator and a resolution of 0 -127 - so its not fully compatiple with the tg33 (here you can mix 4 oscs (2 FM and 2 PCM) with 50 steps and a resolution of -31 to 31), but its a kind of vector synthesis with 2 oscs

regards

fNf

[calyx93]

Just in case anyone is interested - version 2.0 includes a sample of one of the most famous PPG/Microwave wavetables. Wave/Preset no. 043 - Syn-PGSweep sounds just like a slightly bandwidth-reduced version of wavetable no.27 (on PPG Wave) and no.28/FmntVocal (on Microwaves).

This is the one used to create the famous choir sound by using keytracking to spread 61 waves (minus analog waves) across the keyboard.

I've already begun sampling wave-scans from one my Wave 2.2 and Microwave 1. The V-Synth is perfect for us PPG/MW users who have always wanted to use two seperate wavetables - each assigned to a different osc. The wave-scanning sounds a little different, but the results are really nice!

Hopefully I can post some projects and waves soon.

[Artemiy]

This sounds nice! Feel free to contact me (artemio@v-tribe.info), I'll be glad to publish yourt project here.

[calyx93]

I'd love to - it'll be a few weeks until I've sampled all the wavetables. I'll also be sampling sounds from the Yahama TG-33, in case anyone in this thread would like them.

At the moment, I'm trying to find the optimum sample time and wavetable scanning rate to avoid many of the glitches that are common to the earlier wavetable synths. The PPG has a lot of "bumpy" transitions between some waves, and the V-Synth can seem to exaggerate this when encoding - I'll have to play around with placement of events to make it smoother.

Next - to make some samples of the Synclavier's Timbre Window style of "morphing" - the first one I'll do will be the famous spectral/FM "gong" from "Thriller" and Tangerine Dream's "Choronzon."

I'm just so thrilled that the V-Synth breathes so much more life into the pre-existing transitional synthesis methods (PPG/Waldorf scanning, vector, wave-sequencing, Transwave, Timbre Window, etc.). It even helps out with old Fairlight samples by helping to overcome the miniscule sample length problem from the earlier machines. Wonderful!!

[calyx93]

I know this might seem inconsequential, but I named the wrong TG song that used that famous Synclavier patch - "Kiev (Kiew) Mission" NOT "Choronzon."

[anti_pulse]

OK- I just got my wavestation!!! It's freaking awesome!!!! I got card that has a buttload of prophet VS sounds and patches too!!! I'm in heaven. I'm going to be sampling alot of stuff from the WS into my V-synth as well, SO if anybody wants some waves or patches from the wavestation for your V synth when i make a few, let me know and I'll hook you up. Shit, i might just set up a link to my ftp for uploading of a few ws patches and waves as well as some "analog" patches I've been making...

Well I'll be your huckleberry....

[Artemiy]

anti_pulse:

Actually some waves and wavetable sweep loops from wavestation sould be really great! You can put them here if you want, feel free to contact me anytime.

[anti_pulse]

cool cool!

Well I'll be your huckleberry....

[Hugo]

Sounds great, anti_pulse! Who can say no to some wavestation patches?

[anti_pulse]

no doubt! The wavestation alone is incredible, and now that there is a "sampler" dedidated to synthesis like the V, puting some of those unique waves from such an incredible machine of yore into a modern one is just awesome! I've been making some rediculous patches that put some of the v's presets to shame... I plan on having a good 10 or 15 patches and maybe about 20 - 30 waves (including the ones from the WS patches) availible in a couple of weeks. The stuff I have come up with so far is very sureal but usable as well... count on this to be a good one!

Well I'll be your huckleberry....