question for trance dance makers

[melnikov_project]

IM disapointed alittle about the fantom after i heard the virus ti sound demos and the rolnad fantom i realized that fantom is far away from it....the virus ti has all major trance sound used by tiesto and others. in demos of cource,,and none of those in fantom...
so i dont have 1 yeet but i really wonna get me 1....
and after hearing the demos of both..also heard the src expansions,,
weell do the fantom have trance sounds techno analog leads?that can feat into trance production?
what this module .synth's purpose?trance?dance?hip?
i read it meant for all but...
and can some 1 post some trance made on fantom or some patches ....i heard the artemio labs samples wasnt so impressive to my genre..
txnks..

[jcthemc]

heh... the fantom make some sick analogue sounds... you just gotta know how to make em.. and by the way artemios stuff is killer in the analog spectrum. you need to read up..

the virus TI is most definately a monster but if you just wanna sound like everyone else then buy it. if you want some really insane sounds experiment with time stretching and the other great features that the fantom has...


JC THE MC...
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[Jost]

"the virus TI is most definately a monster but if you just wanna sound like everyone else then buy it"

Sorry jcthemc, but this is the strangest quote I've heard in a while. The real strength of the Virus is that it allows you to create sounds that never been heard before by anyone. I've been working with the KC for three years now and its my preferred Synth to design wild, etherical and imaginary sounds.

I've tried for a long time to make the Fantom sound like the Virus. Its impossible, its a totally different Synth and I hear the difference of the two every day in my studio.

However, what the Fantom can do, the Virus can't and what the Virus can do the Fantom can't.

Meinikov, I would suggest to work with both. Don't try to copy the Virus, use the strength of the Fantom and appreciate the Fantom for what it is. To me, the Fantom is the ideal partner to the Virus. Like Yin and Yang - the Fantom is Yin, the Virus is Yang.

On a last note, as soon as the TI's begin to ship, you'll be able to pick up some KC or C bargains (in case you don't have the money for the TI).
On a very last note, there is no analog lead in the Fantom or the SRX that comes close to the power of the Virus. The SRX are good for the Kits, the Pads the Rhodes, the organs, the brass and the guitars.

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[aurora_]

I would have to agree with Jost on this one..

The virus and the Fantom are like night and day..The Virus is a stunning synth (VA) with an impressive arsenal of tweakable parameters..

The only reason that the Virus TI patches sound commercial, is that Trance/dance music at the moment is using alot of "Supersaw" type sounds..This is where the virus will excel compared to the Fantom..

But to be honest the Virus in my eyes aint about patches. it is about creating your own sounds..and it can do a lot more than the old tried and tested Tiesto type lead sounds

Im lucky enough that i own both a Virus C and a Fantom.. The Fantom can have a pretty good stab at emulating VA type patches.. but when you put it side by side with a true VA (in my opinion)..the VA will win hands down..

That's my 2 cents worth

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[melnikov_project]

so from what i gettin,is that fantom was desinged to make sounds of real instruments and to sound real...and thats its not good for trance and analog leads?
couse yes the cost of the "ti" much more than fantom and the ti from what it sounds only good for leads ..
ok..
if u had a dilema like mine :to save more money and get the ti" or get the fantom and after save more money and get a ti"
i understand now i need both but stel i wont ur opinions on this 1..
txnks..

[aurora_]

Personally..if it was me....

I would get the Ti.. if trance and dance is your thing.. it looks mighty impressive..

Don't get me wrong.. I love my Fantom..but i think for dance/trance music.. a Virus Ti + a decent PC/soundcard..would be a killer combination..

Good luck with your decision

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[Jost]

meinikov, Lead is only one aspect of the Virus. Its awesome for Pads, growling Synth Bass, razor-blade sharp arpeggios, analog strings. Simply speaking, the Virus is for 'unreal' sounds, whereas the Fantom is great for real instrument sounds.

With the Virus you don't cope anything 'real', with the Virus you go into unreal, unknown and previously unheard territory. On that note, the Virus is not exclusively made for Trance, its the other way around. Trance uses the Virus. The sound designer determines what music genre you want to use the Virus for.

Last not least, you are caught up in the biggest stress factor of all keyboardists: what Synth do I really need, and what Synth represents all I need in case I can only have one. Most keyboardist can't solve this dilemma and therefore have a whole rig. Refer Rick Wakeman...

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[beyondthesedoors]

the virus is def very very impressive, huge massive fat lowend sounds it has like 96 poly, and 18 osc in one voice, but im sure it can get teidoous doesnt sound like it has much more depth into it other than the 5 waves (hypersaw is def very good tho) but there is no sequencer, so i would get both, thing is u can get a v synth for half the price, and alot of the sounds on the virus u can do on the v synth not to promote roland or nethin lol, just itll almsot cost u 4 grand for a virus and 2 grand for a v synth and if you put alot of thought into it you can get some of the nwe waves like the feedback osc, or the LA-Saw to sound that phat with some effects and cosm effects, + that sideband filter doesnt come close to any filter on the fantom x- The virus ti is an amazing analog synth, but as far as i have heard theres nothing "innovative and new " technology, into it, obv if you have the money and your into that scene its the way to go but there are other syntsh to like nord leads,

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[Jost]

sorry beyondthesedoors, but the V-Synth doesn't sound like the Virus, on the same token with the V-Synth you can create sounds you can't do on the Virus. Ideally you have all three: Fantom V-Synth and Virus.

"The virus ti is an amazing analog synth, but as far as i have heard theres nothing "innovative and new."
We can't say yet as the only public exposure to the TI was at the last NAMM. All other comments about the TI are rumors and gossip. We have to wait till the TI is available, only then can we comment how "innovative and new" the TI is.

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[melnikov_project]

ok here is the link for the virus ti demo sound?!?fantom?!?!

http://www.access-mirror.de/files/demos ... _demo.mp3]

"The Essense Of Trance"

[DonPhilippo]

melnikov_project wrote:

> Virus TI

Do you know if there will be a rackmount version of the TI?

XXX, Don Philippo

[melnikov_project]

i just wont some opinions to compare to fantom

there are rack module[desktop] ver allready in israel i can already buy it now......and it has aperigator inside..



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[theologiae]

just go into a music shop and tell the guys there you want one of everything. that should cover the 'bass's' just fine.

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[DonPhilippo]

theologiae wrote

> just go into a music shop and tell the guys there you
> want one of everything. that should cover the 'bass's'
> just fine.

I'm afraid not. You'll need one of DEES also, and they don't make 'em like that no more. Plus it'll never fit in the trunk of the DeLorean, and FedEx has no Time Travel Parcel Service yet. But even if you do manage to lay your hands onto one of DOES, you just can not live without a Fantom 2006. And even in the unlikely case you already own a Fantom 2006, you'll still be needing one of DEES, too, since the piano sounds of the Fantom 2006 and it's manual - as we all know - suck ass.

XXX, Don Philippo

[david_]

DonPhilippo wrote:
"Do you know if there will be a rackmount version of the TI? "

The Virus TI comes in three flavours: a 61 key keyboard, a desktop version which is also rack mountable, and a smaller 3 octave keyboard version.

David