My sales continue to grow and as they say, "a tree is known by its fruit."
William
williamcoakley.com
If you need a great piano sound...
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sambasevam
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
yes i cant stand my internet friends getting attacked by maniacs who call themselves professional.
Someone in the other forums gave an excellent post of why this is happening.
" I think this is about stiff competition and self realization of shortcomings. With products such as Ivory, PMI Bosendorfer 290 (and half a dozen other PMI pianos), Galazy Steinway, NI?s new release, and countless other great piano samples to compete with I am sure that business must be slow. When is the last time you saw anyone recommend Coakley?s Perfect Piano? "
In other words, you are just trying to create a hype about your piano since no one seems to give a shit about it. Dun seem to work. Infact, you are damaging your reputation by the minute.
Anyone smart enough in todays world will know that there are better and cheaper products than yours. your marketing attempt is pathetic, to say the least.
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Someone in the other forums gave an excellent post of why this is happening.
" I think this is about stiff competition and self realization of shortcomings. With products such as Ivory, PMI Bosendorfer 290 (and half a dozen other PMI pianos), Galazy Steinway, NI?s new release, and countless other great piano samples to compete with I am sure that business must be slow. When is the last time you saw anyone recommend Coakley?s Perfect Piano? "
In other words, you are just trying to create a hype about your piano since no one seems to give a shit about it. Dun seem to work. Infact, you are damaging your reputation by the minute.
Anyone smart enough in todays world will know that there are better and cheaper products than yours. your marketing attempt is pathetic, to say the least.
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
sam,
I sincerely feel that you've said enough. I don't care what goes on in any other forums, but your aggressive attacks here have no further use. William's participation at Fantomized has been welcomed by the majority of the members who post in threads that have his involvement.
If you continue to exhibit this attitude your posts will be deleted. There is no point in your coming in to these threads and hijacking them with negativity. References to other forums are of no consequence, this is Fantomized; not Harmony Central, et al.
Please consider this as a very restrained but serious request.
Bassman
I sincerely feel that you've said enough. I don't care what goes on in any other forums, but your aggressive attacks here have no further use. William's participation at Fantomized has been welcomed by the majority of the members who post in threads that have his involvement.
If you continue to exhibit this attitude your posts will be deleted. There is no point in your coming in to these threads and hijacking them with negativity. References to other forums are of no consequence, this is Fantomized; not Harmony Central, et al.
Please consider this as a very restrained but serious request.
Bassman
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sambasevam
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
Warning taken.
Tell me bassman,
how can you NOT care when a professional is accusing someone of using pirated software and calling them "gay"?
I just dont understand it. Take Jcthemc for example. I really appreciated his product and he answered many people's questions patiently without ATTACKING anyone.
Why cant Mr.William do the same?
http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimate ... 14927.html
Has he bought you all?
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.
Tell me bassman,
how can you NOT care when a professional is accusing someone of using pirated software and calling them "gay"?
I just dont understand it. Take Jcthemc for example. I really appreciated his product and he answered many people's questions patiently without ATTACKING anyone.
Why cant Mr.William do the same?
http://www.musicplayer.com/ubb/ultimate ... 14927.html
Has he bought you all?
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.
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Sami Cokar
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- Location: Earth
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
WHO OWNS DOES WILLIAM COAKLYE??
O/T: perhaps artemio can make some T-shirts, pay chick some royalties
O/T: perhaps artemio can make some T-shirts, pay chick some royalties
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
sam,
I am not going to go 'forum chasing' to find comments by members on other boards. It does not concern me, nor do I have the time or inclination.
William has not 'bought' anyone here, I guarantee you. His reputation at Fantomized is built on his participation. Some folks consider it questionable, a lot more don't. That is what I and the other Moderators have observed.
If you have personal issues or concerns about William, I suggest that you start an offline dialogue with him and see if he wishes to respond. There is no need to sour the atmosphere here. Or perhaps start a thread in the Free Zone for those that wish to continue this type of discussion.
And by the way, I don't think that you have any idea as to what I truly care or don't care about. There is a fine line between having the maturity to know the proper place to have your point of view be effective, or having it be dismissed as primarily personal and reactionary.
Trust me, this is not personal at all on my part. Please don't continue to post as if it is on yours.
Bassman
I am not going to go 'forum chasing' to find comments by members on other boards. It does not concern me, nor do I have the time or inclination.
William has not 'bought' anyone here, I guarantee you. His reputation at Fantomized is built on his participation. Some folks consider it questionable, a lot more don't. That is what I and the other Moderators have observed.
If you have personal issues or concerns about William, I suggest that you start an offline dialogue with him and see if he wishes to respond. There is no need to sour the atmosphere here. Or perhaps start a thread in the Free Zone for those that wish to continue this type of discussion.
And by the way, I don't think that you have any idea as to what I truly care or don't care about. There is a fine line between having the maturity to know the proper place to have your point of view be effective, or having it be dismissed as primarily personal and reactionary.
Trust me, this is not personal at all on my part. Please don't continue to post as if it is on yours.
Bassman
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sambasevam
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
Point taken bassman.
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Demo
Hi William
Hang in here anyway!
I hope the last suggestion did not get lost after these last posts!
'William - another option? Maybe releasing just one piano for the Fantom that some of us could try - for a more modest price - with an option to upgrade to the full disk?'
Foden
Hang in here anyway!
I hope the last suggestion did not get lost after these last posts!
'William - another option? Maybe releasing just one piano for the Fantom that some of us could try - for a more modest price - with an option to upgrade to the full disk?'
Foden
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
bassman, my deepest respect - you are doing an amazing job as a Moderator. You should become a Peace Ambassador for the UN, they need people like you.
http://www.jostsauer.com
"When one is not expressing himself, he is not free." - Bruce Lee
http://www.jostsauer.com
"When one is not expressing himself, he is not free." - Bruce Lee
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William Coakley
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fodendeyo
This has as much to do with the ethereal aspects of artistry and communication as it does with the pursuit of excellence vs emphasis on paying cash dividends.
The fact that for an artist, a piano is a highly personal extension of their being, means my primary interest is not in making money; it's in forming relationships where I can see the fruit of my labor... seeing others excel and enjoy my product and its benefits is very satisfying. Reading the compliments like those that have been freely posted here is extremely gratifying. To know that my work can change someone's life and from that many lives will be positively affected is why I have to produce only the best I can. Artists are looking for a unique, one of a kind instrument... an instrument that enables them to project and communicate more of themselves to the world and this is my way of making the world a more beautiful place "...one piano at a time."
If a piano is not my best, what could I boast about if I said... 'hey what did you expect, you only paid $150 for it... now give me another $350 and then I'll give you my best?'
And surely as not, critics would evaluate my work NOT based on the lower price... but on the quality of the work alone. So in the end releasing something that isn't my best, lowers the reputation of the product line and confuses the pro market which is where the greatest portion of my sales originates.
Big companies have been doing this since day one. "Get the Ultimate Piano with five hundred samples... the end all be all... blah blah" and you get it only to find that if you're quality conscious, you're sucked into buying an expensive expansion board that is only marginally less undesirable. Sure these expansion pianos and the horde of other pianos like them can be used for some work but they are limited in their application. Artists want the best they can get, without flaws, without artifacts, without clunky notes, without poorly developed sections of the piano because they believe enough in themselves to want to put their best foot forward and provide themselves with a world class instrument.
This is what happens when the whole philosophy behind piano development is focused on the cash register and not focused on creating an instrument that will endure by winning the highest admiration and respect of artists. A great instrument is a labor of love and passion; it is time consuming, frustrating, nerve racking, nit picking work with attention to the minutest detail ...and it becomes a gift from one artist to another where price is incidental because finding a piano that satisfies a deep yearning for freedom of expression and an instrument that will set them apart from the mainstream, and a product that enables them to present their work in the best possible light... is worth whatever you have to pay for it.
And finally, if you were to put your family's name on a product... what would you want your family's name to be remembered by: the 'highest quality' or 'not the greatest quality?' When it comes to something as personal as fashioning an artist's instrument that will draw out the best performance, the best creativity; Steinway didn't acquire the reputation it has by putting out a cheap sales leader that was bait for a switch. They produced ONE quality and it won the world's admiration and gives them today unquestionable dominance in the artist market which no other manufacturer has ever been able to penetrate successfully.
Anyway, hope this helps understand why I do things the way I do.
williamcoakley.com
The fact that for an artist, a piano is a highly personal extension of their being, means my primary interest is not in making money; it's in forming relationships where I can see the fruit of my labor... seeing others excel and enjoy my product and its benefits is very satisfying. Reading the compliments like those that have been freely posted here is extremely gratifying. To know that my work can change someone's life and from that many lives will be positively affected is why I have to produce only the best I can. Artists are looking for a unique, one of a kind instrument... an instrument that enables them to project and communicate more of themselves to the world and this is my way of making the world a more beautiful place "...one piano at a time."
If a piano is not my best, what could I boast about if I said... 'hey what did you expect, you only paid $150 for it... now give me another $350 and then I'll give you my best?'
And surely as not, critics would evaluate my work NOT based on the lower price... but on the quality of the work alone. So in the end releasing something that isn't my best, lowers the reputation of the product line and confuses the pro market which is where the greatest portion of my sales originates.
Big companies have been doing this since day one. "Get the Ultimate Piano with five hundred samples... the end all be all... blah blah" and you get it only to find that if you're quality conscious, you're sucked into buying an expensive expansion board that is only marginally less undesirable. Sure these expansion pianos and the horde of other pianos like them can be used for some work but they are limited in their application. Artists want the best they can get, without flaws, without artifacts, without clunky notes, without poorly developed sections of the piano because they believe enough in themselves to want to put their best foot forward and provide themselves with a world class instrument.
This is what happens when the whole philosophy behind piano development is focused on the cash register and not focused on creating an instrument that will endure by winning the highest admiration and respect of artists. A great instrument is a labor of love and passion; it is time consuming, frustrating, nerve racking, nit picking work with attention to the minutest detail ...and it becomes a gift from one artist to another where price is incidental because finding a piano that satisfies a deep yearning for freedom of expression and an instrument that will set them apart from the mainstream, and a product that enables them to present their work in the best possible light... is worth whatever you have to pay for it.
And finally, if you were to put your family's name on a product... what would you want your family's name to be remembered by: the 'highest quality' or 'not the greatest quality?' When it comes to something as personal as fashioning an artist's instrument that will draw out the best performance, the best creativity; Steinway didn't acquire the reputation it has by putting out a cheap sales leader that was bait for a switch. They produced ONE quality and it won the world's admiration and gives them today unquestionable dominance in the artist market which no other manufacturer has ever been able to penetrate successfully.
Anyway, hope this helps understand why I do things the way I do.
williamcoakley.com
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
Here we go again... }=)
Radon_22
"The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office" - Robert Frost
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sambasevam
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
lol
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5thElement
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
I think Coakley should be banned from this forum (or better still the internet) on grounds of verbosity and bandwidth hogging let alone his unprofessional commercial attitude on this and other forums 
bassman, with respect, a bit of forum hopping never hurt anybody and will always widen your view on things. This community is bigger than just this forum.
"If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance"
FantomX7, V-Combo, JV-90
SRX-07
bassman, with respect, a bit of forum hopping never hurt anybody and will always widen your view on things. This community is bigger than just this forum.
"If you're skating on thin ice, you might as well dance"
FantomX7, V-Combo, JV-90
SRX-07
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
5thElement,
Contrary to popular opinion (tongue firmly in cheek), I am not just a Fantomized hermit!
;-p
I belong to the Tascam Forum (I own a 2488) and recently joined a Cubase forum, as I am anticipating purchasing the product. My statement "I am not going to go 'forum chasing' to find comments by members on other boards. It does not concern me, nor do I have the time or inclination. referred to the fact that I don't feel it pertinent or proper to take action for or against any members at Fantomized based on their participation/reputation on other forums. And my time is at a premium with work, gigs, and working on my own music.
To William: Your last post was a bit borderline in terms of what is being discussed here. Perhaps a reference to your site would be a more efficient way to present those types of views, since fodendeyo's original query could have been addressed in a more direct manner. Thanks!
Once again, I'll reiterate the point of view that until there is an response from the majority of members here concerning the participation or banning of Sound Designers (or any others) who have a product to support/promote, I am inclined to let the issue work itself out. This would be be keeping in mind, of course, any useful suggestions such as a new Forum section, etc.
What I see as detrimental are interjections in threads that tend to 'fan the flames', when perhaps it would be a better tact to simply not read or respond to the thread. Don't forget, we also have our luxurious 'Free Zone' lounge for exactly those types of discussions. Also, the 'Fantomized.info' section is for discussing issues concerning the Forum. Feel free to use it. Case in point, this thread has been officially hijacked from it's original topic.
Just doing what I feel is the most useful for us here. Some will not think so, hopefully most will.
Anyway, time to go work on some of that music I'm hearing. . . . .
Bassman
Contrary to popular opinion (tongue firmly in cheek), I am not just a Fantomized hermit!
;-p
I belong to the Tascam Forum (I own a 2488) and recently joined a Cubase forum, as I am anticipating purchasing the product. My statement "I am not going to go 'forum chasing' to find comments by members on other boards. It does not concern me, nor do I have the time or inclination. referred to the fact that I don't feel it pertinent or proper to take action for or against any members at Fantomized based on their participation/reputation on other forums. And my time is at a premium with work, gigs, and working on my own music.
To William: Your last post was a bit borderline in terms of what is being discussed here. Perhaps a reference to your site would be a more efficient way to present those types of views, since fodendeyo's original query could have been addressed in a more direct manner. Thanks!
Once again, I'll reiterate the point of view that until there is an response from the majority of members here concerning the participation or banning of Sound Designers (or any others) who have a product to support/promote, I am inclined to let the issue work itself out. This would be be keeping in mind, of course, any useful suggestions such as a new Forum section, etc.
What I see as detrimental are interjections in threads that tend to 'fan the flames', when perhaps it would be a better tact to simply not read or respond to the thread. Don't forget, we also have our luxurious 'Free Zone' lounge for exactly those types of discussions. Also, the 'Fantomized.info' section is for discussing issues concerning the Forum. Feel free to use it. Case in point, this thread has been officially hijacked from it's original topic.
Just doing what I feel is the most useful for us here. Some will not think so, hopefully most will.
Anyway, time to go work on some of that music I'm hearing. . . . .
Bassman
SRX11 / BOSENDORFER 290 / pErfect Piano Vol 5
Sambasevam: I own the following - Roland RD 700 - Fantom XR - SRX 11 board - Bosendorfer 290 (Gigasampler Format) and the Perfect Pianos Vol 5.
The Hamburg Steinway from Perfect Piano Vol 5 loaded into my Fantom XR is, in my opinion, the best sampled piano I have ever used. It is a sheer joy to play it - and its equally at home in the recording studio or in a live situation. If I could only keep one of the three pianos ( srx11, bosendorfer, or Perfect Piano 5 ) - I would choose the Perfect Piano Vol5 without any hesitation.
I have never met William Coakley - I live in the uk - I have only ever spoken to him on the phone and I have nothing to do with his company.
The Hamburg Steinway from Perfect Piano Vol 5 loaded into my Fantom XR is, in my opinion, the best sampled piano I have ever used. It is a sheer joy to play it - and its equally at home in the recording studio or in a live situation. If I could only keep one of the three pianos ( srx11, bosendorfer, or Perfect Piano 5 ) - I would choose the Perfect Piano Vol5 without any hesitation.
I have never met William Coakley - I live in the uk - I have only ever spoken to him on the phone and I have nothing to do with his company.