Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
I agree totally with dansgold. The problem I am seeing is that people seem to want an "end all", "do all" piece of equipment. Well guess what, it is not going to happen. No one piece of equipment can have all of the sounds and capabilities of the other and sound the exact same. I am a producer and i have different pieces of equipment. My fantom does its job, my MV-8 does its job, so on and so forth. I don't prefer any one company. All I want is the best sounds and have the equipment intergrate with what I have. I love Roland products, but they are not perfect. Example: Everytime they come out with some equipment the file format changes. If all of their products had the same file format then it would be easier to export files between one another without conversion.
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
For you... when the next Fantom come up?
Can i buy a Fantom X without regret...?
Can i buy a Fantom X without regret...?
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
"everyone should know the flaws of a keyboard before they buy them"
Really!?
and just how do you expect people to get this information?
is there some book entitled "fantom x flaws (read before you buy)" ???
and dont say search the web, because if i was the search the web at the time i purchased the fantom, the flaws that have finaly come to light over the past year have only now! been relaised and where not realised a year ago...
"i had found a solution to your last report of a bug on the RPS pads Quinnx but you seemed to still go on about the bug even though there was a simple simple work around."
I hate to tell you this.. but you provided no such solution and if you did it was in error because it did not work or you misunderstood the nature of the problem.
" The problem I am seeing is that people seem to want an "end all""
im not looking for a do it all, im looking for a DO IT!
the fantom is buged, its own functions dont work
the file system is inexcusable and all you can do is say "accept it" no woinder we have a flawed product.
when it now seems people have come to accept and expect and buy inferior hardware and be happy about it.
"Fair enough. A hardware all in one may not be for you. "
now you have just missed the point all together..
Results not Excuses
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Really!?
and just how do you expect people to get this information?
is there some book entitled "fantom x flaws (read before you buy)" ???
and dont say search the web, because if i was the search the web at the time i purchased the fantom, the flaws that have finaly come to light over the past year have only now! been relaised and where not realised a year ago...
"i had found a solution to your last report of a bug on the RPS pads Quinnx but you seemed to still go on about the bug even though there was a simple simple work around."
I hate to tell you this.. but you provided no such solution and if you did it was in error because it did not work or you misunderstood the nature of the problem.
" The problem I am seeing is that people seem to want an "end all""
im not looking for a do it all, im looking for a DO IT!
the fantom is buged, its own functions dont work
the file system is inexcusable and all you can do is say "accept it" no woinder we have a flawed product.
when it now seems people have come to accept and expect and buy inferior hardware and be happy about it.
"Fair enough. A hardware all in one may not be for you. "
now you have just missed the point all together..
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
"For you... when the next Fantom come up?
Can i buy a Fantom X without regret...? "
????
...just could not afford the 8!
Can i buy a Fantom X without regret...? "
????
...just could not afford the 8!
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
if you roll over become blind and accept and ignore its many flaws and bugs, of course you can.
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
Simply...
i don't want to buy a just old keyboard.
i don't want to buy a just old keyboard.
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
yes
...pass over and and start playing piano - you wont get any flaws (unless a few broken strings now and then ...)
...just could not afford the 8!
...pass over and and start playing piano - you wont get any flaws (unless a few broken strings now and then ...)
...just could not afford the 8!
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
Hei guys!! Relax you!
I love Fantom.
I love Fantom.
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
Quinnx:
I think you often do a great service in terms of finding various issues with the FantomX.
I also think you jump too quickly to declaring everything you don't personally like, or features which are poorly implemented ... to be "bugs".
My Take:
If something does not operate as designed, that is a "bug".
If a product does something strange or unexpected which erases or corrupts data, or renders the product inoperable, that's a bug as well.
If a feature is poorly implemented or designed, but works as designed, that's not a "bug", it's a poorly designed feature. The "poster child" for this would be the Fantom's truly awful file structure.
If a desired feature is missing, that's a "wish list item" ... not a "bug".
So, again ... you are obviously a perceptive, intelligent and reasonably technically knowledgable person. I enjoy reading of your "discoveries", and have seldom - if ever - found you to be a complete twit.
But, when you start complaining about things like the lack of an included scripting language (!) ... you've gone off the deep end.
I think you often do a great service in terms of finding various issues with the FantomX.
I also think you jump too quickly to declaring everything you don't personally like, or features which are poorly implemented ... to be "bugs".
My Take:
If something does not operate as designed, that is a "bug".
If a product does something strange or unexpected which erases or corrupts data, or renders the product inoperable, that's a bug as well.
If a feature is poorly implemented or designed, but works as designed, that's not a "bug", it's a poorly designed feature. The "poster child" for this would be the Fantom's truly awful file structure.
If a desired feature is missing, that's a "wish list item" ... not a "bug".
So, again ... you are obviously a perceptive, intelligent and reasonably technically knowledgable person. I enjoy reading of your "discoveries", and have seldom - if ever - found you to be a complete twit.
But, when you start complaining about things like the lack of an included scripting language (!) ... you've gone off the deep end.
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
" scripting language"
That one was just and observation and a rebut to what was in that thread.
Desired features: im not looking for, my priority would be to fix what we already have.
"you've gone off the deep end."
I was already there before i starte posting on this site.
as for a feature thats poorly disigned, if you recognise it as such then you should be demanding its fixed.
same goes for the rps bug,
simplisticaly, the sequencer should record and then playback what the performer plays.
no mater what justifiction that some people seem to be making, the rps and sequencer as demonstrated is not recording my and playing back my perfomance as perfomed.
if the sequncer is failing to do this basic fucntion then its broke or buged which ever you prefere.
just to push this a bit further.
if i use rps and then instead of using the fx sequencer I use cubase
cubase WILL playback what i have performed and recorded, which then proves that all data requred to record my performance IS being sent by rps but is NOT being recorded and is ignored, by the fantom. (BUG)
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
That one was just and observation and a rebut to what was in that thread.
Desired features: im not looking for, my priority would be to fix what we already have.
"you've gone off the deep end."
I was already there before i starte posting on this site.
as for a feature thats poorly disigned, if you recognise it as such then you should be demanding its fixed.
same goes for the rps bug,
simplisticaly, the sequencer should record and then playback what the performer plays.
no mater what justifiction that some people seem to be making, the rps and sequencer as demonstrated is not recording my and playing back my perfomance as perfomed.
if the sequncer is failing to do this basic fucntion then its broke or buged which ever you prefere.
just to push this a bit further.
if i use rps and then instead of using the fx sequencer I use cubase
cubase WILL playback what i have performed and recorded, which then proves that all data requred to record my performance IS being sent by rps but is NOT being recorded and is ignored, by the fantom. (BUG)
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
Let me step around Quinnx here...
I was actually going to post something very like this back in february, but, dang my job and its ability to suck my brain dry! Aargh... rather like Q here.
Anyway, what I was going to initially suggest is that the next flagship be something Oasysey or Fusiony, something with multiple synthesis types under one powerful sparkly hifi sounding engine, with lots of effects available at once. But then I recalled using my Triton with its MOSS board installed.
Now, I do love my Triton, and the MOSS card is almost a marriage made in heaven, but you have to go through some conniptions to use it properly, and my initial experience with the Motif and its synth cards was worse. Yamaha seems to build everything around a learning curve. Quinnx would probably need intensive care if he'd bought a Motif with a synth card or two.
So I'm beginning to swing back the other way to the status quo, a really nice rompler workstation with a really nice synth keyboard to team with it. You probably will need two keyboards to do the synth leads over power synth/organ/piano/ets chords anyhow. That's how most people play, and that's what I do, go to another synth when I want to layer another sound rather than use a Triton combi. I think Roland should mature both the Fantom and V Synth, giving them both a pristine sound engine with audiophile quality DACs like they use on the Kurzweils and Oasys.
I'd love something Triton-like, with integrated sampling and an add-in synth card of perhaps eight voices with various synth architectures in it. I also agree with whoever said it, Artemio? sorry - that Roland should upgrade the synth engine and include elements of things like the JD990. I have one and dearly love it, and INSIST that Roland revive those synth parameters in their next instruments, or as another V Synth card. Syncing those digital waves produces some amazing timbres, and doing that polyphonically would make for some awesome patches.
Work on the filters to give us something authentically Moogish, Arpy, Oberheimy, CS-80ish, along with the traditional Roland filters which I do like a lot. Along with the usual SRX-type rom expansions, give us a nice big onboard rom of say 256 megs of uncompressed samples a-la the Oasys. You realize that compressing samples is rather like playing mp3s, and is probably why instruments which don't like the Oasys and E-Mu samplers sound so good. Add effects power, like the Motif ES has. Use the usual Roland sequencer which I adore dearly. Give us a good keyboard with POLYPHONIC aftertouch, please. Polypressure is to die for. I have a couple of old Ensoniq synths with polypressure keyboards and the expressiveness is sweetness indeed, and of course they produce traditional channel pressure if you want. How about breath control? Get on board with mLAN. Give us lots of controls, knobs, sliders and ribbons. Keep the pads, love those guys. Monitor output, QWERTY keyboard and mouse input. Oh well, I'm wishlisting now.
But above all, give us as much power as you can while making it affordable. Don't skimp on this next wonderbeast, as it has to be a beast to compete with the new Yamahas, Fusions and Oasys spinoffs which are sure to come.
But being a fairly rabid Roland fan, I have faith that they won't disappoint us
I love the future
I was actually going to post something very like this back in february, but, dang my job and its ability to suck my brain dry! Aargh... rather like Q here.
Anyway, what I was going to initially suggest is that the next flagship be something Oasysey or Fusiony, something with multiple synthesis types under one powerful sparkly hifi sounding engine, with lots of effects available at once. But then I recalled using my Triton with its MOSS board installed.
Now, I do love my Triton, and the MOSS card is almost a marriage made in heaven, but you have to go through some conniptions to use it properly, and my initial experience with the Motif and its synth cards was worse. Yamaha seems to build everything around a learning curve. Quinnx would probably need intensive care if he'd bought a Motif with a synth card or two.
So I'm beginning to swing back the other way to the status quo, a really nice rompler workstation with a really nice synth keyboard to team with it. You probably will need two keyboards to do the synth leads over power synth/organ/piano/ets chords anyhow. That's how most people play, and that's what I do, go to another synth when I want to layer another sound rather than use a Triton combi. I think Roland should mature both the Fantom and V Synth, giving them both a pristine sound engine with audiophile quality DACs like they use on the Kurzweils and Oasys.
I'd love something Triton-like, with integrated sampling and an add-in synth card of perhaps eight voices with various synth architectures in it. I also agree with whoever said it, Artemio? sorry - that Roland should upgrade the synth engine and include elements of things like the JD990. I have one and dearly love it, and INSIST that Roland revive those synth parameters in their next instruments, or as another V Synth card. Syncing those digital waves produces some amazing timbres, and doing that polyphonically would make for some awesome patches.
Work on the filters to give us something authentically Moogish, Arpy, Oberheimy, CS-80ish, along with the traditional Roland filters which I do like a lot. Along with the usual SRX-type rom expansions, give us a nice big onboard rom of say 256 megs of uncompressed samples a-la the Oasys. You realize that compressing samples is rather like playing mp3s, and is probably why instruments which don't like the Oasys and E-Mu samplers sound so good. Add effects power, like the Motif ES has. Use the usual Roland sequencer which I adore dearly. Give us a good keyboard with POLYPHONIC aftertouch, please. Polypressure is to die for. I have a couple of old Ensoniq synths with polypressure keyboards and the expressiveness is sweetness indeed, and of course they produce traditional channel pressure if you want. How about breath control? Get on board with mLAN. Give us lots of controls, knobs, sliders and ribbons. Keep the pads, love those guys. Monitor output, QWERTY keyboard and mouse input. Oh well, I'm wishlisting now.
But above all, give us as much power as you can while making it affordable. Don't skimp on this next wonderbeast, as it has to be a beast to compete with the new Yamahas, Fusions and Oasys spinoffs which are sure to come.
But being a fairly rabid Roland fan, I have faith that they won't disappoint us
I love the future
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energizer1389
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Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
Isnt it cheaper to get an FX and a couple of synth's and a PC or Mac to get all these features??????
Usually when you get these types of all in one boards, they are limited. For example I supose if you get an Oasis you probably wont have as much FM synthesis power than a standalone FM synth. Same with the Audio Tracks. For example in the FX you can Record Audio Tracks but dont get close the capabilities and Features of a DAW or Recording on a PC
---Roland Lover----
VS 2480, Fantom X, Vdrums Vstage, Boss GT8, JC 120 Guitar Amp, U-8 Interface, DS-90A Monitors
Usually when you get these types of all in one boards, they are limited. For example I supose if you get an Oasis you probably wont have as much FM synthesis power than a standalone FM synth. Same with the Audio Tracks. For example in the FX you can Record Audio Tracks but dont get close the capabilities and Features of a DAW or Recording on a PC
---Roland Lover----
VS 2480, Fantom X, Vdrums Vstage, Boss GT8, JC 120 Guitar Amp, U-8 Interface, DS-90A Monitors
synthguy, I think what your looking for already is already h
http://www.openlabs.com/products/produc ... series.htm
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
Results not Excuses
QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)
!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)
Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb
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energizer1389
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Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
wHOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Im Impressed with this NEKO 64. This thing has endless capabilities. Its all about the software you want to put in it.
Couldn't find any reviews of it on the net though.
---Roland Lover----
VS 2480, Fantom X, Vdrums Vstage, Boss GT8, JC 120 Guitar Amp, U-8 Interface, DS-90A Monitors
Couldn't find any reviews of it on the net though.
---Roland Lover----
VS 2480, Fantom X, Vdrums Vstage, Boss GT8, JC 120 Guitar Amp, U-8 Interface, DS-90A Monitors
Re: Will Roland surprise us with the F-X successor?
No Quinn, what I'm looking for is here:
The Ultimate synth
And here:
The Ultimate affordable synth
And here:
The Ultimate configurable synth
And here:
The Ultimate modular keyboard
And here:
The Ultimate Synth Again!
I don't like software synths, other than IK Multimedia's SonikSynth 2 and Arturia's products, so nEko doesn't appeal to me. The concept does, and nEko is definitely where we're headed to an extent, but lacking a killer app kills it for me. The quality of waveforms and filters in these above monsters... now that excites me!
As for the limitations of something like the Oasys, you're right energizer, sort of. The Yamaha FS1R will be the best FM synth for some time, unless Yamaha does an Oasys this year or next. But I have a MOSS synth card for my Triton, and let me tell you...
The FM implimentation is kind of limited: just 4 operator FM and not many algorithms. But what you can do with it is crazy because Korg gave it lots of parameters to tweak and empower it, so it's not like a V50. Now, the AL-1 in the Oasys, that is a powerful beastie, and I can hardly wait ti get my hands on one, and especially one of its children I should be able to afford.
I love the future
The Ultimate synth
And here:
The Ultimate affordable synth
And here:
The Ultimate configurable synth
And here:
The Ultimate modular keyboard
And here:
The Ultimate Synth Again!
I don't like software synths, other than IK Multimedia's SonikSynth 2 and Arturia's products, so nEko doesn't appeal to me. The concept does, and nEko is definitely where we're headed to an extent, but lacking a killer app kills it for me. The quality of waveforms and filters in these above monsters... now that excites me!
As for the limitations of something like the Oasys, you're right energizer, sort of. The Yamaha FS1R will be the best FM synth for some time, unless Yamaha does an Oasys this year or next. But I have a MOSS synth card for my Triton, and let me tell you...
The FM implimentation is kind of limited: just 4 operator FM and not many algorithms. But what you can do with it is crazy because Korg gave it lots of parameters to tweak and empower it, so it's not like a V50. Now, the AL-1 in the Oasys, that is a powerful beastie, and I can hardly wait ti get my hands on one, and especially one of its children I should be able to afford.
I love the future