Another question!:)
Is it possible to create a pattern in a song that has its own tempo? I need to run a pattern and then run the same phrase (playing live) but in higher tempo. So I copied the pattern but can't find a way to change its tempo. Any idea?
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Pattern's Tempo
Re: Pattern's Tempo
hit temp button and then Inc or turn the dial.
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Re: Pattern's Tempo
The sequencer cannot afaik have 2 concurrent and different tempos if that is what you try to achieve.
Re: Pattern's Tempo
You can use the micro edit under sequencer to change tempo- use tempo or beat change for the two parameters respectivly
Re: Pattern's Tempo
you can't set tempo or beat changes in pattern mode...only song mode.
The best solution (since I'm assuming that you're doing this live) is to keep the tempo window open, and just tap in the 2nd tempo and play the pattern again...
The best solution (since I'm assuming that you're doing this live) is to keep the tempo window open, and just tap in the 2nd tempo and play the pattern again...
Re: Pattern's Tempo
Guy,
symfonitz is correct.
A couple of things to look at here, depending on what it is you are trying to do . . .
If you create a Song, then copy tracks from that song to a Pattern, any changes (as Quinnx suggested you do) to the tempo of the pattern or song will affect both the pattern and the song globally. In other words, the song and its related patterns are treated as one entity in terms of tempo.
Using Micro Edit (as btdvox suggested) will allow you to insert tempo changes into a Song if you select the Tempo Track when in edit mode. Understand that these tempo changes are for a Song, and not a Pattern.
If you create a Pattern from your Song track(s) and then select that Pattern(which is what I think you are talking about), you will not be able to select the Tempo Track. Tempo Track cannot be selected in a Pattern created from Song tracks.
So, to sum it up, Songs can have tempo changes inserted using Micro Edit, Patterns created from song tracks(phrase tracks)cannot.
If you are playing a Song that has a phrase that repeats later in the song, you can use Micro Edit to insert a tempo change by selecting the Tempo Track. When you get to that part or measure in your Song, the tempo will change. This is true for a Song played in a linear fashion.
If you are actually playing live, tapping the tempo may indeed be the solution.
One correction to symfonikz comment: You can change the BEAT in a Pattern without affecting the Song or other Patterns. simply go to Song Edit, select F2 for PTN, then selct F5 for PTN BEAT. You will then be able to set your beat(time signature). You can have a different time signature for each Pattern in a song.
Bassman
symfonitz is correct.
A couple of things to look at here, depending on what it is you are trying to do . . .
If you create a Song, then copy tracks from that song to a Pattern, any changes (as Quinnx suggested you do) to the tempo of the pattern or song will affect both the pattern and the song globally. In other words, the song and its related patterns are treated as one entity in terms of tempo.
Using Micro Edit (as btdvox suggested) will allow you to insert tempo changes into a Song if you select the Tempo Track when in edit mode. Understand that these tempo changes are for a Song, and not a Pattern.
If you create a Pattern from your Song track(s) and then select that Pattern(which is what I think you are talking about), you will not be able to select the Tempo Track. Tempo Track cannot be selected in a Pattern created from Song tracks.
So, to sum it up, Songs can have tempo changes inserted using Micro Edit, Patterns created from song tracks(phrase tracks)cannot.
If you are playing a Song that has a phrase that repeats later in the song, you can use Micro Edit to insert a tempo change by selecting the Tempo Track. When you get to that part or measure in your Song, the tempo will change. This is true for a Song played in a linear fashion.
If you are actually playing live, tapping the tempo may indeed be the solution.
One correction to symfonikz comment: You can change the BEAT in a Pattern without affecting the Song or other Patterns. simply go to Song Edit, select F2 for PTN, then selct F5 for PTN BEAT. You will then be able to set your beat(time signature). You can have a different time signature for each Pattern in a song.
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Re: Pattern's Tempo
Just to point out one thing. An event to change tempo does not have to be in the tempo track. Any event can exist anywhere within the sequence. Just be sure to tell the event which track you want to be effected by the event. I only point this out because I have noticed several threads that keep stating that certain events have to be put in certain tracks. JMIO
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Re: Pattern's Tempo
PD,
What you are saying is true. You can insert any Control Change, Program Change, etc, in any track anywhere you would like(there may be an exception, but I haven't found it yet).
However, tempo(which is normally used to affect all tracks simultaneously) is not a midi Control Change parameter. It seems to be a somewhat unique animal. I like the way it is implemented through use of the Tempo Track on the Fantom. The limitation is that any created Patterns will not be able to have the tempo changed individually. The only time in Micro Edit that the 'Tempo Change' parameter is highlighted and available to be created and inserted is when the Tempo Track is selected.
Another method, which is perhaps a lot easier, is to use the realtime control knob to change tempo. This is explained on page 171 of the manual. This seems like it would useful for linear changes in tempo as opposed to an abrupt change, however.
So Guy, hope you have enough info to see if you can or cannot do what you wish.
Bassman
What you are saying is true. You can insert any Control Change, Program Change, etc, in any track anywhere you would like(there may be an exception, but I haven't found it yet).
However, tempo(which is normally used to affect all tracks simultaneously) is not a midi Control Change parameter. It seems to be a somewhat unique animal. I like the way it is implemented through use of the Tempo Track on the Fantom. The limitation is that any created Patterns will not be able to have the tempo changed individually. The only time in Micro Edit that the 'Tempo Change' parameter is highlighted and available to be created and inserted is when the Tempo Track is selected.
Another method, which is perhaps a lot easier, is to use the realtime control knob to change tempo. This is explained on page 171 of the manual. This seems like it would useful for linear changes in tempo as opposed to an abrupt change, however.
So Guy, hope you have enough info to see if you can or cannot do what you wish.
Bassman
Re: Pattern's Tempo
Thx for the many replyes first of all.
But I still lost you in a kind of way..
First, about the real time knobs, they change it too fast and I need a change in 5-10 (yes I know its almost st*pid but still).
Anyway, about patterns from a track or patterns from a phrase track or whatever, I lost you I guess:/
But to clear my needs, I don't care if the whole song's tempo will change. I will use a pattern, then use a similar pattern (phrase) for the solo, but in lesser volume. I also wanted the tempo to change as well. So note that nothing else in my song will be played or needed when one of the patterns will be played- I don't care if the whole temop changes. I won't use any rhytms as well.
The thing I tried to do is to go to micro edit inside the pattern and create a control change. But a tempo option wasn't there.
I hope I'm clear now!
Yours, Guy
A proud owner of a Fantom X8 !!
"Life is not a waffle" - G.a.b.a.b
But I still lost you in a kind of way..
First, about the real time knobs, they change it too fast and I need a change in 5-10 (yes I know its almost st*pid but still).
Anyway, about patterns from a track or patterns from a phrase track or whatever, I lost you I guess:/
But to clear my needs, I don't care if the whole song's tempo will change. I will use a pattern, then use a similar pattern (phrase) for the solo, but in lesser volume. I also wanted the tempo to change as well. So note that nothing else in my song will be played or needed when one of the patterns will be played- I don't care if the whole temop changes. I won't use any rhytms as well.
The thing I tried to do is to go to micro edit inside the pattern and create a control change. But a tempo option wasn't there.
I hope I'm clear now!
Yours, Guy
A proud owner of a Fantom X8 !!
"Life is not a waffle" - G.a.b.a.b
Re: Pattern's Tempo
insert control change 0 bankselect
insert control change 32 bank select
insert program change
go to ctrl settings in the performance set recommended tempo to the tempo you want
save performance in user\card location
when you need the tempo change use a program change to this performance and make sure that you set the override in the system menu to (ON).when you need the change it will call this perf with tempo,then do the same to go back to previous tempo. hope this helps.skyy1985
insert control change 32 bank select
insert program change
go to ctrl settings in the performance set recommended tempo to the tempo you want
save performance in user\card location
when you need the tempo change use a program change to this performance and make sure that you set the override in the system menu to (ON).when you need the change it will call this perf with tempo,then do the same to go back to previous tempo. hope this helps.skyy1985
Re: Pattern's Tempo
Ah, sorry but I don't realy understand:/
"insert control change 0 bankselect
insert control change 32 bank select
insert program change
go to ctrl settings in the performance set recommended tempo to the tempo you want"
How?where?
Yours, Guy
A proud owner of a Fantom X8 !!
"Life is not a waffle" - G.a.b.a.b
"insert control change 0 bankselect
insert control change 32 bank select
insert program change
go to ctrl settings in the performance set recommended tempo to the tempo you want"
How?where?
Yours, Guy
A proud owner of a Fantom X8 !!
"Life is not a waffle" - G.a.b.a.b
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Re: Pattern's Tempo
bassman, thank you for pointing that out to me. I was totally unaware of this limitation in the sequencer. It seems strange to limit the placement of a tempo change but, hey nothing surprises me anymore. Now I will have to peruse all my midi files to see if this has always been the case. I am almost sure that I have tempo changes on many different tracks throughout my midi files.
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