Roland says you dont own the software you paid for

[Amni]

Just tried to transfer my SH2 to the new buyer and I have been informed by Roland that when you buy any of the plug ins you cant transfer them even if you paid $100 for an SH2.

Roland you truly suck.

[Synthtron]

Sold your System-1 and just recently got the SH-2 plug out for it too?
Anyway, it is interesting how the rights work out on the plugouts.
I guess this also goes for nontransfer of the SH-101 Plugout.
I am not a big Computer user for music so I wonder how other companies handle this type of situation.

I have the SH-101 plugout that of course came with the System-1 but not planning to take the plunge for any other plugouts anytime soon.

[cello]

Well kind of makes sense - you buy two things; the plug out and a VSTi plugin.

If you sell your System-1 you could still use the plugin with your DAW. Hence losing Roland money.

I'd rather see Roland make money and stay in business developing market-leading products than not chargs for things, lose money and eventually go bust.

[Synthtron]

Saw your similar but different post on this issue and I posted here and there.

I believe No one actually owns software they purchase, In most cases you are given a license to use it from what I understand.
I guess in the case of plugouts the license is NOT transferable.
Roland are out to make money they are a business and they have to protect their interests.

I think these purchases must be considered carefully as not to need to sell them and waste your money in general and on software licenses.

I do not blame Roland. These kinds of questions should be asked Before purchase not After.
Well, I guess the buyer could have the SH-2 plugout installed in the machine but they would lose it if another plugout was purchased and used.

[Gaetano]

Can you not just unregister a plugin and then transfer it? I cannot test this as I just sold my System-1. Just to be clear though, I do think the law is ridiculous if when you purchase a copy of software or a license that you cannot transfer it, as long as you don't retain a copy. If you cannot transfer a plugout then I think Roland will lose a lot of customers, as they are basically reducing the resale value of their products. Let's be serious here, if you buy a System-1 for $700 and 2 plugouts for $300 that is $1000 (at $1000 it is all of a sudden in a new category also). But when you sell it like I did (as I thought it was a bit underwhelming), then what can you sell it for if the plugins are non-transferable?

Is this why there is only a single plugout memory when memory is now so cheap, so you cannot load all the plugouts you own (sorry purchased) when you sell it? I was discussing the new MX-1 other day, and we would like to know what Roland will be charging for the updates on the MX-1 or the JD-Xi etc. I was burned before by Roland when I updated a Fantom X from OS 1.x to OS 2.x.

Can a Roland representative address some of these issues on here, as they are selling a lot of products at a initially low price but charging for updates, which technically shifting them all into a new price category.

Will MX-1 updates be charged for, i.e., is the MX-1 suddenly going to be able to accept other USB devices and not just AIRA or have other functions which it had room for but where not enabled at sale time which can be unlocked for a fee, or the JD-Xi updates be charged for.

The reason I ask is it is beginning to remind me of the story of the printer manufacturer (I think IBM). Where you could buy a slow printer for one price or a faster one for more money. The thing was you could also buy a slow one and update it later which a lot did, someone would come out after you payed an extra fee they would remove a panel and flick a switch and turn it into a fast one. I am sorry to say but I think Roland is going down this road, where the TR-8 as I mentioned somewhere has always had the capacity for more sounds but was purposely left unfilled so at a later date others could be added for a significant charge. It makes me suspicious that Roland will continue to basically flick a small switch to unlock features on their future products for a charge. As I am not convinced to take the System-1 as an example, that it takes ~1/4 of the R&D cost that it took to develop the System-1 to develop a Plugout like the SH-2.

[Miliagni]

Every Decent plugin developer have a way to manage resale/license transfers.

I thought Roland were decent too..

[Venn Diagram]

Every Decent plugin developer have a way to manage resale/license transfers.

I thought Roland were decent too..

Tell that to Propellerhead Software - I still have a license full of Rack Extensions I can't get rid of 1.5 years later because they aren't "transferable" and anything you ever by from Cakewalk is the same deal - like Dimension Pro which is no longer supported in OS X :/

[cresshead]

Saw your similar but different post on this issue and I posted here and there.

I believe No one actually owns software they purchase, In most cases you are given a license to use it from what I understand.
I guess in the case of plugouts the license is NOT transferable.
Roland are out to make money they are a business and they have to protect their interests.

I think these purchases must be considered carefully as not to need to sell them and waste your money in general and on software licenses.

I do not blame Roland. These kinds of questions should be asked Before purchase not After.
Well, I guess the buyer could have the SH-2 plugout installed in the machine but they would lose it if another plugout was purchased and used.

yup sounds about right to me.

I have the SH-2 plugout, i'm not a system1 owner yet though...great synth btw.