New Roland Synthesizer Workstation Coming at Namm 2014

[Quinnx.]

The way i see it...
the computer solution compared to the workstation solution is more flexible and affordable.
So what people would expect is at least all that in a box(workstation)
for that to happen would be too expensive for the end user and a market killer for roland themselves killing there own product line.
The best they could offer if they where insane enough to do it would be a Integra fanotm with vsynth.
but its not good enough to just put all this tech in box and not consider (io)
LIke usb audio multichannel and then you need to have a VST and all other manner of connectivity ram etc..
They just cant do it.

Ah... sure
NAMM will come and go as it does every year and its only a few weeks to 2014 so lets all get excited for the next roland countdown page..
WHOO HOO!!!

[kday]

Roland's hope is Flash or SSD, for the users 'personal sounds' instantly playable. Without this they can't compete with Korg and Yamaha.

Really the future of Roland's success is the same as the future of Korg and Yamaha success.

People want to play 3rd party mutli gigabyte sound libraries from other companies on their hardware equipment now using Flash Rom. Roland had the idea with their sound cards but went in a backwards direction with the Fantom G and excluding the Flash Rom option. The G should have been the first modern synth that offered Flash Rom with users loadable sounds but they thought they could milk the consumer for one last basic keyboard, and Yamaha used the idea instead and made a killing in sales from that technology. While Roland suffered declining synth sales from users seeing no real reason to upgrade from the Fantom X. I was ready to spend money for the next synth after the Fantom X, but it seemed like a step in the backwards direction after I found out all my sound cards wouldn't fit and no new sound cards were being developed for the G. Roland sold some Fantom G synths but, not a enough to call it a profitable success.

Forget the new sounds that will come onboard it won't be enough, Roland needs new features, new sampler options, 21st century ideas and innovations like the other companies. People are liking 3rd party sounds in the VST now, Roland has to find ways into supplying the memory onboard to incorporate that technology into the modern keyboard, or other synth companies will do it before they do and dominate the market share.

I'm 100% sure Roland will comeback with something slightly innovative and include Flash Rom options at least on a minimum scale.

[Analog Addict]

Wouldn't it be EXTREMELY innovative to include three or four 2, perhaps 3 TB HDs for VST third party storage and integration... and of course just a few more I/Os than the previous Fantom G for external components? Ahh... V-Synth GT + VA synth (multiple historical analog synthesizers - particularly that of Roland) + M-A-Y-B-E (yes, that's a VERY BIG MAYBE) the best of the Integra + all of the above. Do you believe that might just be 21st century enough? Actually, come to think of it... perhaps not just VST integration, but with other controllers that so many musicians are familiar with, such as MASCHINE and PUSH as well. The unit would have something in it for everyone, traveling far beyond the call of duty and not merely being "slightly" above what the prior workstation previously offered.

[kday]

Roland won't step on their other products foot trying to includes them in their next workstation.

There will be no V-Synth, V-Piano, Jp-8000, no Integra, MV8000, or any previous synth or module included in their next workstation, everything will be considered new technology with references to their limited physical modeling technology from the Integra sound module.

[cminor]

The way i see it...
the computer solution compared to the workstation solution is more flexible and affordable.

:))))))))))))))))))))))))))

Let me do it again...

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SOLUTION?
You're joking...
... no, you're not. You're making fun of me.

NOT EVEN MACINTOSH IS NOT AS STABLE AS A KEYBOARD !
Liam from The Prodigy , has an AKAI samplers Rack as BACKUP.
Why?
Because SOFTWARE, COMPUTERS, CRASH WHENEVER YOU ARE SURE EVERYTHING IS GOING BETTER!

This is why Keyboards are STILL on the market, and this is why MOTIF XF is out, Tyros 5 is out.
Latency, OS crash, Viruses, and other "OS" troubles, makes the computer-midi keyboard a freaking out risk.
Nobody want to depends on the OS mood.
And in a live performance, to say to the excited fans, when the OS crashed in the middle of the song:
"Sorry, I have to reboot, please, remain excited, and keep watching us..."

It's a real thing.
Liam did throw a macbook in the crowd, when it crashed (after removing the hdd), and continued the show on Akai samplers.

[Jan_nl]

Roland won't step on their other products foot trying to includes them in their next workstation.

If you take a look at the past you will see how Roland (and other manufacturers) DO recycle products and use elements from other instruments to incorporate them into a new package.
In the case of Roland I think a workstation package which includes a reworked SN and V-synth engine would appeal to a lot of musicians.
I know I would certainly be very interested.
I've always felt that the V-synth cried out for a workstation environment of its own.

[Quinnx.]

SOLUTION?
You're joking...
... no, you're not. You're making fun of me

What can i say.. If you dont get it you dont get it..
Think outside the box Mann ;)

Either way its all relative.

[kday]

Roland won't step on their other products foot trying to includes them in their next workstation.

If you take a look at the past you will see how Roland (and other manufacturers) DO recycle products and use elements from other instruments to incorporate them into a new package.
In the case of Roland I think a workstation package which includes a reworked SN and V-synth engine would appeal to a lot of musicians.
I know I would certainly be very interested.
I've always felt that the V-synth cried out for a workstation environment of its own.

I said the only thing from a previous product Roland will include in their next workstation will be the limited physical modelling technology from the Jupiter or Integra sound module.

That's because this limited physical modelling technology is their latest sound engine. It's not the full physical modelling but an instrument attack only version of real physical modelling. They may give you some of the Integra sounds and a few of the Jupiter 80 sounds for marketing publicity, but that's it.

They will never give you a V-synth for free to include in a Fantom. If the V-Synth sold well, then they may remake the 3rd generation someday, but still they won't step on the workstation foot if they do ever remake the V-Synth. Each synth is a separate cash cow for them, they won't combine synths into a super synth for the same amount of money they sell one keyboard for.

[Jan_nl]

I guess we will know soon enough what Roland has been up to.

In terms of a possible new workstation I'm sure Roland is aware of the fact that if they come up with a variation on the FG they will not be able to persuade people into buying the new workstation.
There's an ongoing economic malaise to consider as well as the fact that with the OASYS/KRONOS the standard for HW workstations has changed.
Roland has proprietary V-technology which produces its own characteristic sound through engines derived from this modeling technology, so if Roland would want to regain a slice of the workstation market, an integration of the different engines would be a good move, IMO.
The old production formula of producing a 1001 variations on what in essence is the same engine does no longer work in the current economic dire straits.

But who knows, perhaps Roland pulled out of the workstation market altogether.

[Quinnx.]

But who knows, perhaps Roland pulled out of the workstation market altogether.

That would be my guess as it appears all they have been doing recently is updating there standard instrument range along with their casio style keyboards.

[kday]

The reason I think Roland took so long is because it takes time for them to debut the massive amount of products they usually debut when they come with the slew amount of products. I think they will debut a workstation, some kind of beat box or drum sampler, Piano Keyboard, sound module, sound cards. They have no other choice if they plan on competing with the other companies that will release new products. Roland will be making hardware workstation synth until the day the company decides to retire.

[fmw]

Hello to all of you!

The NAMM SHOW 2014 is in 46 days and 2 hours.
Normally Roland would announce already a new workstation or successor of the Fantom G, isn't it?
But on http://www.rolandconnect.com I can see nothing yet.
And nowhere any countdown!
Does this mean that really nothing will come?
Maybe an update for Jupiter80 (V. 2.0) an that‘s it?
I'm waiting for a successor of the Fantom G since the beginning of 2013
and I'm become tired of waiting.
When the NAMM Show has gone and nothing new,
should I wait until Muskmesse Frankfurt on March 2014 or should I give up?

- fmw

[Jan_nl]

If there is no urgent need and you have been willing to wait for a year, I'd wait another three months until NAMM and Frankfurt are over so that you're sure there's no successor of the Fantom.
Furthermore I think that if Roland has a successor it will get a separate teaser before its launch, not just the traditional countdown.

[kday]

If Roland would announce a teaser they would do it within 2 weeks of the NAMM show, it would be too much to take to see a teaser 2 months away. I don't want to see a Teaser until about 1 week before NAMM. That long over anxious gear lust hurts me personally all the days I can't see what being partially advertised. I hate that. Roland had too many worthless NAMM shows to offer us a grand countdown to one more. There will be a successor to the Fantom G, and I don't think Roland will wait another whole year to debut and butt heads with Yamaha's successor to the Motif or Korg's next generation successor. Roland has to compete with the synth maker big boys, or go to the grave liking their wounds in defeat because they don't how to make a synth sells like everybody else.

[specialplant]

I just checked a thread in another forum about last WinterNamm, and I'm quite sure that Roland's countdown on rolandconnect.com only started on December 27 last year. So I think it doesn't mean anything if nothing is being announced yet. However, as Roland has just dissolved their European subsidiary (Roland Europe), I am skeptical they are really capable or willing to introduce a true flagship, I think they focus on the medium-priced segment, but I would be happy if it turned out otherwise.