Jupiter-80 Organ, optimizing it.

[girevik]

Hi Dany

To clarify, I *usually* have tonewheel organ in the lower part if I am using a keyboard split, but sometimes I have something else in the lower, with no organ in the registration at all, and at least one reg, I have it reversed, with organ in the upper. I could reverse that, of course, but I'm still left with the problem of what to do when I have something other than organ in the lower. Since you're talking about routing parts to outputs in the system setup, I believe you're saying that it wouldn't be possible to route the parts at *registration* level?

I'd check this out for myself but I won't pick up my rig from the rehearsal room until later this week.

Thanks in advance

[Dany]

...Since you're talking about routing parts to outputs in the system setup, I believe you're saying that it wouldn't be possible to route the parts at *registration* level?...

Unfortunately yes, as it is the case with the sound assignments to the colored buttons, which also can only be set in the System Setup. It would be very helpful to be able to set the output routings and the sound assignments for each Registration individually! Roland engineers have self-imposed some unnecessary restrictions on the JP-80, which are indeed hard to comprehend...
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[synthguy99]

Hi

Thanks for the interest! We got some video but the sound isn't great. The only one on Youtube so far is Tommy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eesQPR4GVdw

Hey, that was a great intro to your group, though I agree that the keys were being overshadowed by the rest of the band. But the sound quality was really quite good! You need to see if you can record your performances like this and put some more up. Love to see more of you guys.

[girevik]

Hi

Thanks for the compliments. We have decent footage (better than "Tommy") of 3/4 of the gig and will get that online when we can.

Well, it looks like the Ventilator would be of limited use in my situation. The only thing I've not tried on the JP-80 is turning the rotary "width" control down - hopefully this will go some way to taming what I feel is excessive amplitude changes on the bass end when the rotary is on high speed. I've added some small room reverb at a fairly high level, which helps to damp it out but it still sounds very odd on sustained low notes.

[Andy Keys]

I watched the vid, too. I liked the projection with info about the band/song you were covering. That was a nice touch :)

[synthguy99]

Narrowing the width on any Leslie effect is a good idea, especially for recreating a "live" sound.

I used to play a portable Hammond right on top of a Leslie cabinet as the "stand," and I used to mix my music the same way, with all that sound swirling around my head. But after listening to a few albums, I realized that their organs with the Leslies mixed narrow and off to one side sounded right. It was the same revelation with pianos, that most piano patches are programmed to pan low notes to the left and high to the right, the way it sounds when you sit at the keyboard. But the audience hears the opposite, if they hear any stereo spread at all of an acoustic grand.

[Andy Keys]

Hey synthguy, what do you mean by "Leslies mixed narrow"? Do you mean in one specific place in the pan field, or do you mean in terms of frequency range?

[synthguy99]

Pan position, and with some room reverb on it to make it sound like it's off a ways from the listener. I was probably one of very few players to use a Leslie as a keyboard stand. ;D

[Andy Keys]

Thanks for clarifying, synthguy :)

[synthguy99]

I thought I might clarify a bit more on that, having come from a recording session last night which featured my Kronos and Fantom-X prominently. Whether you're miking a Leslie or running a Ventilator or other effect into a mixer, or programming an effects setup on a synth, the way you set up your Leslie sound will be the same. Say you want to be perceived in a recording like Tony Banks as having your keyboard rig on the right side of the band, or you're on stage and this is the case.

For the left mic/input, set the pan position (knob) at somewhere between the 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock positions, the right one from 3 o'clock to full right, however sounds best to you. This will push the center of the Leslie sound off roughly where you are, and still give you some stereo quality.

For DAW users, the equivalent would be like this. Say full left and right is -100 to +100. Set the left input to between -15 and +15, the right in from +50 to +100.

On synth effects like you have on the Jupiters or Kronos, there should be some sort of center and width parameters on the Leslie effect, as well as a distance setting for the virtual mics. Set the center to roughly 25-50% right, and width and distance to whatever sounds good. For a more live sound, you want some distance.

BIG FUN!! ;D

[girevik]

Thanks for the pointers, SynthGuy, I will bear them in mind when we're mixing FOH for our next gig.

On the Jupiter, the "spread" doesn't make much difference unless all the drawbars are out, i.e. it's very registration-dependent, but the output level of the rotors (I guess it is a dry/wet control so not exactly "purist") makes a huge difference. I've taken the bass down from 127 to 64 and the treble down to 90. This gets rid of the really objectionable "chugging" sound I was getting before.

Cheers!

[girevik]

Love to see more of you guys.

You get your wish; I just set up a Youtube channel for us and the website will be going live tomorrow.

Here's Frankenstein by the Edgar Winter Group (I am not a hunchback normally but had pinched a nerve in my neck the morning we shot the video!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55FYNWulahg

Best
Neil (Girevik)