New Roland Jupiter Legacy Collection

[Frank Aufmoog]

Would be nice if someones knows for sure which filter they emulate and their order.

LPF1 = the original Jupiter 80 filter, as shipped before the 2.0 OS update.
LPF2 = modeled after the Jupiter 8 filter
LPF3 = modeled after the Minimoog
LPF4 = modeled after the Seq Circ Prophet 5

This from the video at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7VDllTaHVXM starting at about 1:45. Video is from Roland's Dan Kirshner, he should know.

Super, thanks a lot for the info.

[Frank Aufmoog]

If the TB303 is emulated there should be a step sequencer integrated...

[Dany]

Let's analyze it:

The Legacy Collection Trailer is shot in 1080p HD and 3D!

It intends to create anticipation and eagerness, ending with the words "Coming Soon", which indicates a quite large effort on Roland's part, worth for them to launch a promotion, consciously creating expectations and speculations. This is a very good promotion tactic, but only if you can really deliver, after having created such anticipations.

It says word by word:

"The goal of this project is to preserve Roland's rich synthesis history."

Those are quite pompous words about preserving a rich history of almost half a century. Would Roland use such words, if it's just a new set of Registrations, Livesets and Tones? They've already used comparisons to their own synth legacy in their promotion campaign for Version 2, containing the new factory sounds, which focuses more on vintage synths, using the three new vintage Filters.

"We are attempting to transfer the ESSENCE of vintage synth sounds into the NEW JUPITER-80 HOST MECHANISM."

What's new in this sentence? Certainly not the part "We are attempting to transfer the ESSENCE of vintage synth sounds...". This point was already one of the main contents of all previous JP-80 promotions, since its release. The use of the word ESSENCE indicates a broader approach, than just some simulative Livesets and Tones.
The rest of the sentence "into the NEW JUPITER-80 HOST MECHANISM", indicates indeed something new. They certainly don't mean: "the new JP-80 and it's (already known) host mechanism", but they mean: "THE NEW HOST MECHANISM(!!!) of the (already known) JP-80."

"The objective is to study the SYNTH CHARACTER analyzation of the proposed synthesis objects."

Proposed synthesis objects = vintage Roland synths.
They talk about studying the specific characteristics of some of their vintage synths, which is a general meaning, again not very well suited to promote just some new simulative Livesets and Tones, which we finally all can program quite easily by ourselves.

"We've now successfully transfered the proposed synthesis objects into the NEW JUPITER-80 HOST MECHANISM..."

Which means, that they have transfered some of their vintage Roland synths with their specific characteristics into the NEW HOST MECHANISM of the JP-80.

Whatever this "host mechanism" is, but it must be something new!

Let's pray I am right... ;)

But I might be proven completely wrong, as a naive victim of the useless words from some ROLAND marketing folks... :(
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[Rocness]

But I might be proven completely wrong, as a naive victim of the useless words from some ROLAND marketing folks... :(
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Even if so , It was a good read anyhow , so nice to dream .
Thanks Dany .
I think AES is coming soon , so we should know a little more by then . I'm Just not sure when AES 2012 starts.

[beavis28]

Danny, that is very fun to analyze.
More I hear more I feel this is NOT just registration or liveset.

I was thinking current D50 or JP8 live set in V2 achieved their purpose, but sounds like they are now recreating brand new idea with something called host mechanism,

With that said, I think this is pretty new introduction.

Interestingly, including Korg, synth maker noticed their old asset makes more money than they thought.
Hope Yamaha will also follow this flow.

[drpopper]

There is a download on the JP-80 page stating "Analog Synth Collection"

[kokocalamar]

I enjoyed your deep analysis Dany!

Let's hope you're right! :-)

[kokocalamar]

It's funny: when I first heard the words "NEW Jupiter-80 host mechanism", I assumed that they were refering to the JP-80 as still being new, even though it's been out for a year or so.

Dani, you've opened my eyes! Hoping Roland won't close them..

[equinoxe67]

Also hope that this is not reserved for a new version of JP-80...

[kokocalamar]

Also hope that this is not reserved for a new version of JP-80...

No, don't worry, they will certainly not introduce a new Jupiter, it's far too early for that.

(BTW, I love your avatar!)

[cello]

Also hope that this is not reserved for a new version of JP-80...

No, don't worry, they will certainly not introduce a new Jupiter, it's far too early for that.

+1! No way that's happening any time soon.

[Méka]

Very nice analysis Dany !

I'm thinking that is true, seven new SuperNatural "Legacy" engines are on the road ...
And this is a clear demonstration of the real nature of the Jupiter-80 : physical modeling synthesizer and not another boring VA ...

[Polux]

Roland Legacy Collection = Korg Legacy Collection ?? but with the host jupiter 80 = Roland Jupiter Legacy Collection? korg, roland, the name "legacy collection" is the same, if it's only soundbank roland marketing is very bad, but i can't imagine (in the korg legacy Collection there is a controller ms20)

[knolan]

Having watchd the video again, I'm now a little in two minds! I still suspect, and hope, that we're going to see a new supernatural synth engine for this; but...

...Dany's otherwise excellent analysis has got me wondering about the opposite - as in - are we looking at a finely programmed set of livesets and registrations built around the the existing Supernatural Synth engine?

The issue for me is raised by the line Dany quotes :"We are attempting to transfer the ESSENCE of vintage synth sounds into the NEW JUPITER-80 HOST MECHANISM" - as in - the use of the final "the" and not "a"

Had this read "We are attempting to transfer the ESSENCE of vintage synth sounds into _a_ NEW JUPITER-80 HOST MECHANISM" then that would be an indicator of a new, to be released, synth engine. But to me, the word "the" means the existing synth engine - which is afterall, still new and the powerhouse for Virtual Analogue in Rolands exitising (relatively) new flagship. So to me, it's now looking like they might mean they are programming a bunch of livesets based on various of their legacy synths, and perhaps not, afterall, a new synth engine.


And if you look at the video, the iPad is showing an instance of the exsiting (new!) Supernatural synth Tone.

...figuring this out is nearly more fun than playing the damn thing

(one of the writers of "Father Ted" is the brother-and-law of my closest friend; and in true observant character he posed the question to me one day after a discussion on music and the infleunce of technology if it's the case that when I buy a new keyboard do I throw out the actual keyboard, and keep the box and the manual :-)

....he's almost not wrong (and from the detail in this thread, I don't think I'm alone in that :-) !!)

Kevin.

[kokocalamar]

The synths that are showed in the video are:

1. JUPITER-8 (1981)
2. JUPITER-6 (1982)
3. JUNO-60 (1982)
4. SH-101 (1982)
5. TB-303 (1982)
6. JUNO-106 (1984)
7. D-50 (1987)

I think it's too much to assume that Roland has created seven new synth algorithms to go with these classic machines...

Maybe it's "only" a sound bank and some minor additions to the Supernatural Synth, such as OSCILLATOR SYNC, which speaking of essence is, well, essential!

At least when we're speaking of the J-8 and J-6.