INTEGRA-7 SRX-Boards for Jupiter-80?

[Dany]

yes, but there is also information saying that the other "expansions" like the supernatural stuff will take up a slot as well... and the PCM data (which I am assuming is the internal ROM) takes up all 4 slots....

so that means that if you have the internal ROM loaded that you can't load any of the SRX stuff. OR the supernatural stuff...

so it seems that it's either internal ROM or SRX/supernatural...

Thanks for the additional informations!

So there is definitively NO Jupiter-80 inside the INTEGRA-7.
The slogan "The Jupiter for the Rack" is just a marketing hype.
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[Johnn]

I suppose to pick up my ordered jp-80 tomorrow, don't know whether to go for it or wait until all revealed?

At this stage there is no definite answers, please help..

[anotherscott]

yes, but there is also information saying that the other "expansions" like the supernatural stuff will take up a slot as well... and the PCM data (which I am assuming is the internal ROM) takes up all 4 slots....

so that means that if you have the internal ROM loaded that you can't load any of the SRX stuff. OR the supernatural stuff...

so it seems that it's either internal ROM or SRX/supernatural...

Thanks for the additional informations!

So there is definitively NO Jupiter-80 inside the INTEGRA-7.
The slogan "The Jupiter for the Rack" is just a marketing hype.
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I'm not certain, but the way it reads to me is that there is a base sound set, plus 4 virtual slots. The base sound set seems like a core set of SuperNATURAL sounds (including at least pianos, EPs, brass, strings, guitars,and some ethnic instruments), the SN synth section, the XV-5080 sound set, and the drums. Then, into the 4 slots, you can load up to 4 of the 12 SRX cards, or up to 4 of the 6 additional SuperNATURAL sounds, or some combination thereof. Or you can load an enhanced GM2 sound set that uses all 4 slots.

http://www.rolandconnect.com/product.php?p=integra-7

[anotherscott]

(It looks like some brass, guitars, and ethnic are included in the "core" set with the pianos, EPs, and strings, but that additional instruments of those typed can be loaded into the slots).

Here are what can be assigned to the four slots:

SRX banks (12 titles):
SRX-01 Dynamic Drum Kits
SRX-02 Concert Piano
SRX-03 Studio SRX
SRX-04 Symphonique Strings
SRX-05 Supreme Dance
SRX-06 Complete Orchestra
SRX-07 Ultimate Keys
SRX-08 Platinum Trax
SRX-09 World Collection
SRX-10 Big Brass Ensemble
SRX-11 Complete Piano
SRX-12 Classic EPs Expansion

SuperNATURAL Sounds (6 titles):
ExSN1 Ethnic
ExSN2 Wood Winds
ExSN3 Session
ExSN4 A.Guitar
ExSN5 Brass
ExSN6 SFX Expansion

Hi-Quality PCM Sounds (1 title)
ExPCM HQ GM2 + HQ PCM Sound Collection

The SRX Series and the Expansion SuperNATURAL Sounds use one virtual slot per title.
The Expansion Hi-Quality PCM Sounds use all four virtual slots.

[drpopper]

(It looks like some brass, guitars, and ethnic are included in the "core" set with the pianos, EPs, and strings, but that additional instruments of those typed can be loaded into the slots).

Here are what can be assigned to the four slots:

SRX banks (12 titles):
SRX-01 Dynamic Drum Kits
SRX-02 Concert Piano
SRX-03 Studio SRX
SRX-04 Symphonique Strings
SRX-05 Supreme Dance
SRX-06 Complete Orchestra
SRX-07 Ultimate Keys
SRX-08 Platinum Trax
SRX-09 World Collection
SRX-10 Big Brass Ensemble
SRX-11 Complete Piano
SRX-12 Classic EPs Expansion

SuperNATURAL Sounds (6 titles):
ExSN1 Ethnic
ExSN2 Wood Winds
ExSN3 Session
ExSN4 A.Guitar
ExSN5 Brass
ExSN6 SFX Expansion

Hi-Quality PCM Sounds (1 title)
ExPCM HQ GM2 + HQ PCM Sound Collection

The SRX Series and the Expansion SuperNATURAL Sounds use one virtual slot per title.
The Expansion Hi-Quality PCM Sounds use all four virtual slots.

That about covers it although the SN synth engine is included in the internal sounds so you have have the synth engine running in addition to your standard internal sounds and all your 4 slots loaded. Nothing is ever simple or easy when it's a Roland ;)

[anotherscott]

That about covers it although the SN synth engine is included in the internal sounds so you have have the synth engine running in addition to your standard internal sounds and all your 4 slots loaded.

Right... and I think also the stock XV-5080 sounds are part of the standard internal sound set, without using a slot.

Nothing is ever simple or easy when it's a Roland ;)

Indeed! But to be fair, it's not like Yamahas, Kurzweils, or Korgs are such models of simplicity either!

[BioSynth]

It's possible use it as an audio interface for Sonar?

[drpopper]

So there is definitively NO Jupiter-80 inside the INTEGRA-7.
The slogan "The Jupiter for the Rack" is just a marketing hype.
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Well in other words the Synth engine from the JP-80 is in there but slimmed down to 128 poly plus you get all the other stuff .... think between a JP-50 and 80 ...hence it's more like a JP-65 inside.

[anotherscott]

the Synth engine from the JP-80 is in there but slimmed down to 128 poly plus you get all the other stuff .... think between a JP-50 and 80 ...hence it's more like a JP-65 inside.

For probably about than the price of a JP80, a pair of these would give you the 256 polyphony, up to 32 MIDI parts (instead of 4), up to 32 tones (instead of 10), up to 32 fx, simultaneous access to up to 8 virtual SRX cards... just another way to look at it! But you still need a keyboard to control it all from, and the Jupiter keyboards have great actions and a control layout that can be very nice for live performance.

[mojkarma]

So there is definitively NO Jupiter-80 inside the INTEGRA-7.
The slogan "The Jupiter for the Rack" is just a marketing hype.
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Soundwise there is even more than a JP80 inside. Besides the SRX expansions, there are new SN instrument models, not available on the jp80.
BUT, I will never understand Roland and why they have to ruin every concept with their half backed thinking.

There are 12 SRX expansions and 6 SN expansions and you get...what... 4 slots for 18 packages????????????
How do you organize your work, either in the studio or on stage if you need a sound from the other package?
In the studio you can bounce at least and load something new. On stage there is nothing you can do.
4 slots in 2012???
Come on Roland.

The srx cards contain just samples. They are 64 Mb each, but in a compressed form. So, let's say there is about 32 Mb of physical data per SRX card. For 12 SRX expansions that is about 400 Mb of Rom. Roland couldn't find a way to put 400 Mb sample data onto one chip (or slot) and make it available at once in 2012?

Polyphony:
128 voices. Take a stereo srx patch with an additional tone/layer (the srx has up to 4 layers/tones per patch) and you are at 32 voices for one part. Now, play a piano over it.

Effects:
we are back at ONE FX per part if I read the specs correctly. So, we can again start to discuss how to create a organ with rotary and overdrive...

[Johnn]

Demo songs

http://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/sets/201208-dome-songs/

Another great demo pads

http://soundcloud.com/rolandcom/sets/12 ... ynth-tone/

[anotherscott]

There are 12 SRX expansions and 6 SN expansions and you get...what... 4 slots for 18 packages????????????...4 slots in 2012???
Come on Roland.

As I basically posted elsewhere...

Sure, it would be nice to be able to load all 18 at once. But let's say that the memory or other resources to support each virtual slot adds, oh, $50 to the retail price, but they don't want to hear complaints that they have 18 sound banks that can be loaded into only 4 slots. What choices would they have? They could offer only 4 sets of sound banks instead of 18, problem solved, but obviously we'd be getting a less capable unit. Or they could build in the necessary processing/memory/whatever to support 14 more simultaneous sound banks, raising the retail price of the unit by $700. But that raises the price for everyone, even if they are only interested in a handful of the expansions, and the higher price point would mean fewer people would buy it.

I'm not saying that Roland doesn't make some pretty unfathomable design decisions, but I don't think this is one of them, unless you assume they could just as easily have made all 18 sound sets simultaneously available at no increase in cost... but there is no reason to believe that's the case. From an engineering perspective, it seems like it would be simpler to just have it all available as you suggest than to have to build in a way to swap sounds in and out for no reason, so I think it's a pretty safe bet that doing it this way was cheaper.

The srx cards contain just samples. They are 64 Mb each, but in a compressed form. So, let's say there is about 32 Mb of physical data per SRX card. For 12 SRX expansions that is about 400 Mb of Rom. Roland couldn't find a way to put 400 Mb sample data onto one chip (or slot) and make it available at once in 2012?

You're assuming a lot of compression, and still haven't allowed for the amount of ROM needed for the 6 other (SRX) packages or the 4-slot enhanced GM2 package. Even 400 mb of extra ROM wouldn't cost nothing to add, and for everything I listed, it could easily be double or triple that, if not more.

Polyphony:
128 voices. Take a stereo srx patch with an additional tone/layer (the srx has up to 4 layers/tones per patch) and you are at 32 voices for one part. Now, play a piano over it.

I'm not sure how polyphony is handled in this architecture. But as for whether even your pretty-bad-case scenario is unworkable, I don't think Roland has ever made an SRX box that handled more than 128 voices, and people seemed to find them pretty usable. But for less than the price if a Jupiter 80, you could buy two of these boxes, and have 256 polyphony and simultaneous access to 8 expansion banks.

Effects:
we are back at ONE FX per part if I read the specs correctly. So, we can again start to discuss how to create a organ with rotary and overdrive...

Yup, that sounds like a problem. Luckily it has the separate outs, so you can send the Organ patch out to a Neo Ventilator, and have a better rotary/overdrive effect than any Roland anyway.

[CShorte]

In my opinion, it is not a replacement for but, a nice add-on for either the JP-80/50 and/or the Fantom G series. Some Fantom users have lamented the fact that the SRX expansions were not included. This could offer the opportunity for 'problem solved'.

[cello]

In my opinion, it is not a replacement for but, a nice add-on for either the JP-80/50 and/or the Fantom G series. Some Fantom users have lamented the fact that the SRX expansions were not included. This could offer the opportunity for 'problem solved'.

+1 exactly right!

[Dany]

In my opinion, it is not a replacement for but, a nice add-on for either the JP-80/50 and/or the Fantom G series. Some Fantom users have lamented the fact that the SRX expansions were not included. This could offer the opportunity for 'problem solved'.

+1 exactly right!

+1

I am somewhat glad it turned out like this...Imagine Roland would have offered a full JP-80 in a Rack with all the additions of the INTEGRA-7 and 256 voices for a fraction of the price, we JP-80 users had to pay.

But can the INTEGRA-7 devalue the JP-80/50 anyway, since it offers all the SINGLE SN-Acoustic and SN-Synth Tones from the JP-80/50?
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