does anyone know of a good forum?..

[jabberwocky]

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[piaknowguy]

Nobody here has stated that the 'G' is without it's quirks. I guess my advice would be to turn off the continuous hold function. It is highly unlikely that you would need the half-dampening function anyway.

This 'bug' does not negate the fact that the 'G' is an awesome and powerful workstation, or the fact that there are people who will try to help you through your delimma no matter how condescending you may be. (See your previous posts)

Cheers!

[Mystic38]

Jabberwocky,

I think you either did not read, or perhaps understood my prior post?

The midi rx filter does not relate to the FG in its entirety..and just like previous Roland synths it relates specifically and solely to the sub-block that is the FG sound generator.. So if i use F3 PARTVIEW and deselect HOLD from the Rx Filter screen, I am, in effect, simply disabling the sound generator from playing that information, but the info is still recorded given the sequencer block is independent of the sound generator... as PKG states above.

If however you use F4 CONTROL menu and deselect HOLD from parts, this is an input related filter event and there is no information (events) in sequencer visible the microscopic phrase edit screen..

[jabberwocky]

Hi Mystic38, thanks ... I'll have a closer look at the F4 Control menu this evening

[piaknowguy]

Thanks for the clarification, Mystic38. Works like a charm. Lesson learned? There can be a right way and a wrong way to go about achieving similar results, especially with the amount of overlapping functions evident in the 'G'.

Thanks again.

[jabberwocky]

thansk for the effort , but this doesn't seem to work for my setup.

I have my Fx8 (midi out<->in) connected to my Fg7 , when using i.e my X8 keybed (with hold pedal) and using the soundgenerator of the FG it's still not ok :-/

Still I coud use a proper implementation of the midi filter.

[Mystic38]

Jabberwocky,
I would not leap to the statement "i could use a proper implementation of the midi filter" as personally, the midi rx filter appears to me, in all tests, to be operating exactly as it is supposed to.

I use a DP10 and simply do not hear HOLD taking effect on a channel it is not enabled on.. If your issue is not sound, but rather sequencer data, then you should expect to see the HOLD data as previously discussed.. the midi rx filter does not filter input to the sequencer from MIDI IN (and nor does the F4 control map)... In this respect the FG is identical to the FX and JG.

I suggest you confirm correct operation in standalone manner first, then double check your channel assignments from the FX to the FG.. all else failing, Midi Solutions have filter boxes for use inline with the midi cable.

[Kentoby]

Your viewpoint is absurb.. and clearly demonstrates a total lack of detail understanding of the workings and limitations of the Fantom G.

If anyone believed you, this forum could be replaced by an auto generated reply that automatically inserted "Go read the manual" into every thread and closed it.

Yea, I've noticed the disrespect for the Fantom G and all can say is, any one who doesnt like it simply doesnt what the h*ll they are doing!!!! I suspect there are lots of "I hate reading manuals" folks among us... It aint the machine I can tell you that!!! Dig deep and it gives back, I love it!!!

Mystic, evidently you didn't bother to read the original post. The poster is asking for more tips and less "reasons not to like/buy a Fantom".

If a guy doesnt bother to spend time with the machine at Guitar Center let's say, doesn't ask lots of questions on various forums, doesn't review videos and just throws down $1800 because of what he may have heard, why would we entertain his whining here? This is simply a guy who didn't know what he was buying!!!
Again, mine does exactly what I though it would do, It does what I read, It does what my experience showed it would do and it does what the videos showed it would do. You won't find me running to a Roland Forum crying because I didn't do my home work and that is some how the Fantom G's fault. Again, I LOVE my Fantom G!! A simple to use all in one unit!!! I'm always up to buying another too!!!

[Mystic38]

Anyone who makes the absurd generalised statement that " anyone who doesn't like the FG doesnt know what the hell they are doing" clearly is not well versed in the workings of the FG... The Fantom G has had (and still has) some highly talented and extremely experienced users and none of them, past or current, are blind to the shortcomings of the FG.

After checking your contribution to the forum, I see that your response is symptomatic of a casual/new user with limited experience and practice with the FG, one who typically exercises 10-20% of the units capabilities. So I will close by saying you simply do not know what you do not know, and so your commentary is judged accordingly...

[parker.bobby]

not bad.. let's start with kentoby's statement:

"Yea, I've noticed the disrespect for the Fantom G and all can say is, any one who doesn't like it simply doesn't what the h*ll they are doing!!!! I suspect there are lots of "I hate reading manuals" folks among us... It ain't the machine I can tell you that!!! Dig deep and it gives back, I love it!!!"

while it was peppered with some negativity & fierce opinions, the overall content was positive. "i love my fantom!".. we are all entitled to our opinions here. however, i suppose negativity leads to negativity & we got caught in another downward spiral..

I'm sure we all have different opinions as to why some people can't figure things out like we can. maybe they are stupid, or don't like to read, or don't have as much time, or whatever. how do we know?.. what i do know is that different people learn in different ways. some like to read first & then apply. some just jump in & learn 'hands on'. still, there are other people that learn best from instruction & discussion. it is those folks that I'm concerned about. I'm sure they are having a hell of a time right now.. trying to find answers in a sea of opinions..

on a positive note. we did have a good discussion about midi rx filters. i'm not in front of the G right now but I'll check that out later. my setup doesn't demand alot of use in this area so its something i haven't messed with much.. or maybe i'm stupid. lol!

thanks again guys. think positive :)

[Kentoby]

Anyone who makes the absurd generalised statement that " anyone who doesn't like the FG doesnt know what the hell they are doing" clearly is not well versed in the workings of the FG... The Fantom G has had (and still has) some highly talented and extremely experienced users and none of them, past or current, are blind to the shortcomings of the FG.

After checking your contribution to the forum, I see that your response is symptomatic of a casual/new user with limited experience and practice with the FG, one who typically exercises 10-20% of the units capabilities. So I will close by saying you simply do not know what you do not know, and so your commentary is judged accordingly...

Guess you told me ;-) Yes I stand by what I wrote!! Why would you buy an $1800 Fantom G then turn around and bash it here? Did a guy not know what he was buying?? Whos fault would that be? $1800 is a lot to spend on a hope, an assumtion, " Im not sure but I hope it will do xxxxxx... Here's $1800" Seriously, who does that?? I'm guessing a psychologist might call that insanity... My experience is the opposite, this machine surpasses my 31 years of experienced based expectations!! 128 MIDI tracks, 24 audio tracks, effects,deep editing, mastering, LIMITED... Compared to what??? Its not Pro Tools and I knew that going into it. Oh by the way I have a Yamaha Motif Xf6 and a Korg Extreme and I continue to find the Fantom to be the most capable out of the 3. Yup I love my Fantom G 6

[Leh173]

I think we need to keep in mind the the Fantom G is a VERY deep machine. It also follows years of the Roland style of doing things. Sometimes things may not be immediate or even the best way of doing something, but I have found most things I needed it to do, it does and quite simply most of the time. That is a big achievement in itself. It's a big system that take time to learn, so yes there can be frustrations and mis-understandings. As with most complex music technology it has a few limitations, or omissions but generally I regard it as success. Also for years synths and music software etc etc have had a lot of features that depending on the application you may never even use, we have deep tools now. The G is no different. I prefer it's approach to the other workstations but that's just my personal choice. My 2 cents worth.

[Mystic38]

PKG stated very accurately earlier to the effect that despite its flaws the FG is still a very capable machine and that is a fair assessment... i agree with that completely.

Leh also stated that it is a deep machine, generally rewarding, with a good UI, but not without its issues, frustrations, limitations and omissions.. again a balanced view.

I am all for thinking positive about the FG, but we are well past the rose colored glasses fanboy stage here in this forum as shown by the pragmatic statements by other long time members in this thread and so I simply take strong offense at the suggestion that anyone who doesnt like, or is aware of issues with the Fantom G, simply either cannot read or does not know what they are doing...and quite frankly, anyone who takes such a crass opinionated stance is woefully naive, ill informed and is simply embarassing themselves.

[Kentoby]

Assuming the last post misquote is in responce to my initial post, I ask that you at least try to accuratly quote me. Read again, i didnt say anyone couldnt read, I said - didn't like to read manuals... Big difference. And yes , buying an $1800 item not knowing what it does is indeed not knowing what the h*ll you are doing. I offer no apologies. Fantom G is the King in my studio!!!

[Mystic38]

I am encouraged that your experience so far with the Fantom G holds you solid in your convictions.. You are clearly of the position that the manual is the guide to the operation of the Fantom G, and so, a prospective user should read the manual before purchase.? Clearly the logical conclusion to your thought process is that the Fantom G will perform all the features and function stated in the manual?.. am i correct?

Unfortunately for you, those users really familiar with the FG understand the manual is a very weak generalised document to in-depth use of the Fantom G, and so the ability to read the manual does not help to understand what the fantom G can and cannot do except in a simplisticly generalised sense.. but to make my point, and allow you to face the reality of life with the fantom, I suggest a challenge :)

How about I state a quite important feature, one present on the Fantom X that the Fantom G users manual CLEARY states to be available?.. and yet is missing...

Even better!! (think "but wait..There's more!") ...This feature in fact also has a supporting Official Roland youtube video produced by Dan Krisher demonstrating how to use it! ....and yet that feature simply does not exist..

Now, if you actually knew and were experienced with the Fantom G, you would know exactly what feature I was talking about..

its ok..humble pie can be eaten with ice cream :)

Assuming the last post misquote is in responce to my initial post, I ask that you at least try to accuratly quote me. Read again, i didnt say anyone couldnt read, I said - didn't like to read manuals... Big difference. And yes , buying an $1800 item not knowing what it does is indeed not knowing what the h*ll you are doing. I offer no apologies. Fantom G is the King in my studio!!!