SRJV presets converted to Fantom X and S

[rcraven]

Sorry Paolo the file won't load into the XV Librarian and I tried to load it with a sequencer into my XV3080, but no luck.

Looking at the Midi file, the sysex header uses ox6A as the model id. The XV series uses 0x42 so it will never load as it is.
I did change some of the Model bytes to XV but still no luck.
I downloaded the JV1080 manual and although the general 4 tone architecture is the same as the XV there is so much more in the XV sysex.
I would take an enormous amount of work to convert from JV1080 to XV

Sorry
Royce Craven

Please see page 132 of the XV 3080 user manual: Device ID Number setting; you should temporarily set the Device ID to 17 (and you should set "Rx SysExcl." to ON).
Also: did you read the link I gave you above (the Sound on Sound article, the relevant part is at the end of the article: "Backward compatibility")?

Paolo

Hi Paolo,
my XV is set to 17 (the factory default) and I checked the Midi header in the data you supplied. It is id 17
I can send XV presets quite happily so the "Rx SysExcl" is definitely on.
I read the article , but it doesn't seem to be true for the XV3080.
The model id is usually enough to reject the sysex data.
Have you been able to do it?
Other than this article do you know anyone who has done it?
If you can work it out let me know. I'm happy to try it again.

All the best
Royce

[rcraven]

This file has now been superseded. Keep reading 8)

Well here it is.
I'm not sure what you can do with it.
I take it there is a SRX card that has the SRJV 17 waves on it.

When you dump it is is highly unlikely that Wave Bank will be correct so you will need to edit this on every preset.

All the best

Royce Craven

[mheuzeroth]

Well here it is.
I'm not sure what you can do with it.
I take it there is a SRX card that has the SRJV 17 waves on it.

When you dump it is is highly unlikely that Wave Bank will be correct so you will need to edit this on every preset.

All the best

Royce Craven

Thank you,

i did a excel-sheet with a comparison sr-jv80-17 Country to SRX-09 World wavetable.
As you can see in the attachment the waves are almost complete inside the srx board. Only some Rhythm waves and some Phrases are missing. even it will be possible to fill some of the missing waves with internal ones, what i havent done by now, but could be done easily.

I think this is more or less at any of the other sr-jv80 cards i mentioned before.
Now my question is:
Is your software in principle able to convert those waves i listed in the attached excel sheet?
If so, you mentioned before, that you need a kind of conversion table data. Is there a way to prepare such data, which format does this have to be?
if i can send you such data, what about the still missing waves? Replace them by internal waves?
A Few waves will still be blank after replacement with internal ones, how to deal with those? If they can be marked in the conversion process the patches wich use this waves heavily could be sort out by hand then. I think there arent so much.

Hope you can help

[mheuzeroth]

@ rcraven

Please can you send me your (excel)-sheet with the internal xv waves compared to the fantom x waves.
I need this, because the SRJV-03 Piano card has many waves of the internal XV Waves. I want to "translate" these waves.
Thanks!

[rcraven]

My program 'translates' the XV waves to FantomX/S already. I have tried to keep to the first bank so it is FanS comparable but I don't think much is lost.
It also translates the MFXs and the parameters for each of the MFX. These parameters also have to be shifted and altered.

I have finished the FantomX/S to SonicCell code and luckily the MFXs are very similar and the SC is short of some of the FanX waves as it has a couple of extra pianos, but ,of course, they are all in different positions in the ROM. Just a bit more testing to do.

Royce Craven

[rcraven]

mheuzeroth

Your spreadsheet goes up to wave 190.
The first wave of the first preset is 208 so my program turned up its toes.

Here are the problem presets
Wave number then Preset name

Wave L :208 Banjo Phrs
Wave L :208 Banjo Phrs
Wave L :208 Banjo Phrs
Wave L :208 Banjo Phrs
Wave L :216 Guitar Phrs1
Wave L :216 Guitar Phrs1
Wave L :216 Guitar Phrs1
Wave L :216 Guitar Phrs1
Wave L :222 Guitar Phrs2
Wave L :222 Guitar Phrs2
Wave L :222 Guitar Phrs2
Wave L :222 Guitar Phrs2
Wave L :216 MiddleCRiff
Wave L :220 12 Bar Riff
Wave L :218 12 Bar Riff
Wave L :217 12 Bar Riff
Wave L :219 12 Bar Riff
Wave L :229 PdlStl Phrs
Wave L :229 PdlStl Phrs
Wave L :229 PdlStl Phrs
Wave L :229 PdlStl Phrs

I have changed the wave group to SRX-09 but I have left the wave number the same.
I filtered all the waves above 190 and any waves you didn't have a match for were turned off (wave 0) here is the result

Patch 240+ are a bit strange


Royce Craven

[mheuzeroth]

mheuzeroth

Your spreadsheet goes up to wave 190.
The first wave of the first preset is 208 so my program turned up its toes.

I am so sorry, i made a mistake, i copied only to waves 190. now i have attached the "completed" version.
Including the missing waves 190 and up.
Please can you process this new version too? If its important for the conversion, my srx09 is in slot D, but what i hadnt expected when you posted the first srx06-09 conversions every patch "knewed" which slot to choose?

As i understand, please correct me if it is wrong:
You made a country conversation where you changed the srjv-waves to srx 09.
What happened to the internal waves, when they were used in country patches? are they changed xv-waves to fantom waves too?
If this could be side by side it would be great.

Another question is left:
What about the few missing srjv-waves in this new excel sheet? Is it possible to exchange this srjv-waves by internal fantom-x ones? i will look up the ones if necessary. i think country patches would not profit, because almost all waves are included, but i have the patches for 4 other srjv-cards left here and i want to give you the most complete excel-sheet.

and because of this i urgently need (!) your xv to fantom x waves conversion excel sheet. i have the patches for srjv piano card and more than the half of the srjv-waves are the same as the internal xv-waves. so i will give them the same "translation" you did.

thank you so much

[rcraven]

If its important for the conversion, my srx09 is in slot D, but what i hadnt expected when you posted the first srx06-09 conversions every patch "knewed" which slot to choose?

No. I have just realised that the wave id is made up of several parts
Wave Group Type - in the FanX = Int, SRX, Sample, Multisample in the XV = Int, SRJX, SRX
Wave Group Id the number of the SRX or SRJV and even the extension of the Fantom Int from S to X
Wave number L
Wave number R

So the slot is irrelevant.

As i understand, please correct me if it is wrong:
You made a country conversation where you changed the srjv-waves to srx 09.
What happened to the internal waves, when they were used in country patches? are they changed xv-waves to fantom waves too?
If this could be side by side it would be great.

If there were any internal XV waves in the patch then they are translated to suitable internal Fantom waves.

Another question is left:
What about the few missing srjv-waves in this new excel sheet? Is it possible to exchange this srjv-waves by internal fantom-x ones? i will look up the ones if necessary. i think country patches would not profit, because almost all waves are included, but i have the patches for 4 other srjv-cards left here and i want to give you the most complete excel-sheet.

The needed waves for the Country SRJV17 from the error log
Need Wave :198 Ghostrider
Need Wave :198 Ghostrider
Need Wave :198 Durango
Need Wave :192 Durango
Need Wave :238 CountryDrum1
Need Wave :237 CountryDrum1
Need Wave :237 CountryDrum2
Need Wave :238 CountryDrum3
Need Wave :239 CountryDrum4

As there are only a few patches, just edit them by hand. You might like to post you changes back here.
If you want you can follow the instructions below but use "f" instead of 'i' for internal fantom. Try to use just the FantomS set so it is compatible.

and because of this i urgently need (!) your xv to fantom x waves conversion excel sheet. i have the patches for srjv piano card and more than the half of the srjv-waves are the same as the internal xv-waves. so i will give them the same "translation" you did.

Just place an 'i' in front of the XV internal wave and my program will convert the wave to an internal XV wave and then the normal process of internal XV wave to Fantom wave will fix it.
eg
169 NaturlRimSht i0865 XV Internal RimSht

The conversion number should be formatted "0000" to give 0012 or 0003 or 0134.
So the XV internal wave number should be i0134 for XV internal wave 134

I've just rerun the program with you new list.
Try these out now and let me know what you think.

All the best

Royce Craven

[mheuzeroth]

I tried out the next version. its getting more and more complete. but a few strange waves can be heard.
its funny to hear some sitar and other oriental waves when you are playing a country patch :-).
I now "fixed" the list to the best i can. i exchanged the missing waves (allmost all rhythm-ones) to the best i could get. i know there werent the same in the internal waves, but for exchanging a drum wave its better to hear a false selected snare drum wave than an oriental flute :-).

I changed the wavenumbers to a 4-digit version. internals i gave an "i" in front of the 4 digits(marked yellow). very few waves i couldnt give an adequate translation, mainly "menu"-waves and special waveforms. i marked them red in the spreadsheet and gave them the number "0000" which i hope means "no Wave".

Please make a last conversion for the country patches. Thanks

Please confirm (for further projects), if this spreadsheet style is good for you.

I just have seen, that you want "f" for the internal fantom wavenumber. my first file has "i" but as i understand this will not be right for fantom. i post the "f" version below, please tell me which is right for me!

[mheuzeroth]

Just one thing left.
do you have a spreadsheet where you have compared the xv-waves to the fantom s/x bank?
I know your software has the corresponding wavenumbers inside, but i would like to get your wavecomparison, because e.g. the piano patches i would like to send based on the srjv03 piano board has 60% waves which are in the XV (or have the same name as the XV ones). I dont want to select the internal waves oof the fantom by myself, as you made a perfect selection for my ears.
I would like to send you the finished conversion spreadsheet then.

Perhaps i have an other clue for the problem:

I have made a conversion-table for the piano board. sure there is not so much piano waves on the srx, but i tried to do my best in changing to internal waves "f"-version.
Perhaps some patches will have a nice tone, although they wont sound as they were intended.

[rcraven]

Sorry Paolo the file won't load into the XV Librarian and I tried to load it with a sequencer into my XV3080, but no luck.

Please see page 132 of the XV 3080 user manual: Device ID Number setting; you should temporarily set the Device ID to 17 (and you should set "Rx SysExcl." to ON).
Also: did you read the link I gave you above (the Sound on Sound article, the relevant part is at the end of the article: "Backward compatibility")?

Paolo

Hi Paolo,
Managed to get it to load (wrote a straight sysex delivery program and it loaded OK).

Here is the original JV1080, a converted XV in XVl and Mid format as well as a Fantom version as a Mid file.
Let me know if it is OK.

All the best
Royce

[rcraven]

I have taken the first wave conversion file and processed the SRJV 17 patches
Here are the odd ones
Changing 198 to XV internal. Patch: Ghostrider
Changing 198 to XV internal. Patch: Ghostrider
Changing 155 to XV internal. Patch: BootScootin'
Need Wave :137 GoodMornin'
Need Wave :137 TwangWahEcho
Need Wave :134 FunkyResonic
Changing 146 to XV internal. Patch: Shiloh
Changing 198 to XV internal. Patch: Durango
Changing 192 to XV internal. Patch: Durango
Changing 238 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum1
Changing 240 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum1
Changing 244 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum1
Changing 237 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum1
Changing 243 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum2
Changing 237 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum2
Changing 240 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum2
Changing 241 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum2
Changing 244 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum3
Changing 238 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum3
Changing 240 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum3
Changing 241 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum3
Changing 247 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum4
Changing 239 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum4
Changing 240 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum4
Changing 246 to XV internal. Patch: CountryDrum4
Changing 154 to XV internal. Patch: MiddleCRiff

0000 means no wave.


All the best

Royce

[mheuzeroth]

Perhaps its because i am a native speaking German and my english isnt good enough to understand everything, but now i am totally confused.

Perhaps i first try to explain my situation clearly:

I am an owner of a Fantom X8, i dont have a Roland XV
My aim is to get the patches converted for the fantom.

If waves In the conversion-process are missing, i want to have them exchanged to internal Fantom waves.

I know your software is able to convert internal XV waves throu a conversion-process to fantom waves automatically.

my last conversion tables included some waves wich i made a suggestion/exchange to an internal fantom wave.

when i looked for an internal wave to change, i looked for the fantom x wavenumber and not an xv wavenumber.

so now before i make everything wrong: lets take an example:

lets say i am looking for an exchange-wave for the original srjv wave called:

0062 E. Piano A (srjv wavenr. 62)

i think (only because of the almost similar name) there is a suitable wave in the fantom x internal Wavebank called:

0063 SA E.Piano A (fantom x wavenr. 63)


But there is also a possibly suitable wave in the internal xv waverom:

0049 E.Piano 1A (XV-wavenr. 49)

Which Wavenumber do i have to choose for exchanging the original nr. 62. is it 63 (fantom x) or 49 (XV).

keep in mind, my aim is to get a nice fantom x patch.

and please tell me wich prefix ("i" or "f" i have to choose)

the last wavetable conversion-spreadsheets had only the fantom x numbers when i changed to internal waves.

i hope now after your answer i will be totally prepared for sending you the right version of the needed txt-files

[rcraven]

Perhaps its because i am a native speaking German and my english isnt good enough to understand everything, but now i am totally confused.

Me too

I am an owner of a Fantom X8, i dont have a Roland XV
My aim is to get the patches converted for the fantom.
If waves In the conversion-process are missing, i want to have them exchanged to internal Fantom waves.

Ah, I see the problem. You mentioned "i have the patches for srjv piano card and more than the half of the srjv-waves are the same as the internal xv-waves." and so I though you wanted me to change the JV wave to XV when they were marked eg "i0134" before the Fantom conversion, which I did.

With out thinking it through, I suggested the 'f' mark so you could directly insert the Fantom wave INSTEAD of going through the wave conversion table.
I guess this is want you wanted for the SRJV Country.
'i' for XV internal and 'f' for Fantom internal.
I guess 'i' wasn't a good suggestion perhaps it should be 'x' for XV internal and 'f' for Fantom internal.

When programming I discovered that there is a large problem to all this.
If the left wave is in the SRX and the right wave is an internal Fantom, or the reverse, what am I to do?
Left and right waves have to come from the same source.

I feel that this is getting a bit silly.
There are only 12 affected patches out of 256. Listed above.
I suggest you take version 1 of the conversion and replace by hand the wave you want in the Fantom editor.
Use your table to change them.
Perhaps you might like to present the finished patch banks here.

All the best

Royce Craven

[mheuzeroth]

I feel that this is getting a bit silly.
There are only 12 affected patches out of 256. Listed above.
I suggest you take version 1 of the conversion and replace by hand the wave you want in the Fantom editor.
Use your table to change them.

O.K. I have done my very best. Sure the 4 Drum Patches at the end of the Patchlist dont sound well, but i have changed their waves to drum-waves, too
So this is the final Country patches version.

I hope we can transform the other srjv Boards to fantom x too

Strange, but why are my fantom librarian files "fxl-files" (about 300kb) are so small compared to yours (1400kb)?

When programming I discovered that there is a large problem to all this.
If the left wave is in the SRX and the right wave is an internal Fantom, or the reverse, what am I to do?
Left and right waves have to come from the same source.

I dont understand what you mean with "left" and "right" wave. Do You mean a left or right channel from a stereo wave? Named e.G. "Piano pA L" for left or "Piano pA R" for right channel? If you thought like this, this wont be any problem, if i only take mono waves, which i have done all the time.

Or do you want to say, that its impossible to change some srjv waves to srx and others to internal the same time?
Perhaps its possible to process the files 2 times through your software, first confert only srjv to srx waves, and in a second process convert the then missing srjv to internal fantom waves?

I only ask this, because of the missing more srjv boards. Country board i will make by hand.