I THOUGHT I had it, but......

[ricstave]

.... after about 15 min of programming, I cannot get my midi pedals to work correctly with a performance on my Fantom X6. In fact, even playing from the keyboard itself, it won't work - and I thought I had this one figured out.

I'm trying to set up different chords triggered by keys on a remote set of Elka Midi Pedals by assigning the parts of a performance and limiting the key range for each key/part, and transposing the different parts to make the correct chord voicing for each key triggered. (This always worked on my Fantom-XR)

I turned off the 'remote switch' - this was my previous problem, now I was able to trigger parts set to midi channel 2 from the midi pedals (set to transmit on channel 2) and play from the keyboard itself parts set to midi channel 1. But now, any pedal I step on is triggering every part set to channel 2 all the time - ignoring the key ranges I set up. Even stranger, when I set all the parts to midi channel 1 and played the same notes on the keyboard, the same thing happened.

How do I isolate for each part the range it will play in?

This is very frustrating - I can do it on mt Fantom XR, I can do it on my Korg Triton, and previously my Korg 01-W.... why can't I make this work?

Thanks in advance.
~ric

[ricstave]

OK, I've been doing some reading on here, and it looks like the Fantom X series will not apply the key-range settings for an external source? That really sucks - stupid thing to get rid of - always used to work in the past with previous synths, and there's no reason to take that option out - if you DON'T want a voice to be limited by key range, then you just set the key range to full - why not make it be active for outside sources if it's wanted??

But even worse (and I'm SURE there has to be a fix, or something I have set wrong), I can't get key ranges to work correctly from the Fantom keyboard itself. I have a layer of piano and strings in the right hand (B3-G9) and I want a bass in the left hand (C -2 - A3) ... these are all set to midi channel 1 (as I am using channel 2 for sounds triggered from my midi pedals) But when I play, depending on what the 'current part' is, the LH and RH parts are playing together, either low (if the synth is currently on one of the low parts) or high (if the part selected is one of the higher ones)

There are at least 3 different screens that have a 'check' option for each part for KEYBOARD - I'm very confused as to when these should be or not be checked - on the main screen of a Combination, Part View screen, Key Range screen, and the External screen has an Rx column - what do each of these do??

Thanks

[Arjan]

OK, I've been doing some reading on here, and it looks like the Fantom X series will not apply the key-range settings for an external source?

Correct. I guess you might have read that in one of my posts actually.

That really sucks

Correct. I'm not saying I Agree because this is a universal truth

I have a layer of piano and strings in the right hand (B3-G9) and I want a bass in the left hand (C -2 - A3) ... these are all set to midi channel 1

That's your problem right there. You have to think of the key range as applying to a layer of 16 virtual keyboards, the MIDI output of which is all merged together. So if you have two of those keyboards sending on the same MIDI channel but different key ranges, the end result is actually that the 'merged' keyboard send on this total range on channel 1 and any Part receiving on that channel will respond, regardless of which of these virtual keyboards send that specific note.

If you want parts to respond to different key ranges they must respond to their own dedicated MIDI channel.

It is confusing, some of these boxes apply to Parts and some of them apply to one of these virtual keyboards. Key Range applies to the virtual keyboard for that row. Rx applies to the part and simply enables the Part (sound generator) associated with that row. The keyboard can still send (this is controlled by KBD on the first page, F1) but only an externally connected module would respond if Rx is disabled OR any other part that happens to listening to that same MIDI channel. The MIDI channel setting applies both to the virtual keyboard and the part.

Keep in mind that the KBD switch is implicitly enabled for the currently highlighted row.

[Andy Keys]

ric, try limiting the key ranges in the Patch rather than the Performance. I believe that works.

[Arjan]

try limiting the key ranges in the Patch rather than the Performance. I believe that works

Yes, it's inconvenient but that does work. Sorry for neglecting to mention it.

[ricstave]

Thanks, guys! I really appreciate these responses. I set the midi channels back to one-per-part (for the parts I want to play from the keyboard) and left the ones to be played from the midi-pedals set to chnl 2. Then I guess I have to just make sure that the keyboard switch is on for those parts for the keyboard to play them, and leave the switch OFF on the channel 2 parts.

I'll have to try the key range per part thing - sounds like a good idea, although it means I'll have to create 16 new patches for what I'm trying to do - but my other option is sampling the stacks/chords and creating a sample map - both will take a bit of time.

Thanks again!