The Roland Japan G NOTHING experience

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Jimknopf
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The Roland Japan G NOTHING experience

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For everyone reading between the lines it was quite clear since some weeks that Roland Japan would offer G owners NOTHING worth mentioning at Musikmesse Frankfurt. I catch myself still finding that hard to believe and rechecking the news. But it seems real.

I have learned to leave behind ANY expectations concerning Roland Japan support for their flagship workstation meanwhile. I don’t expect

- a Fantom G OS, which could remotely be called complete, and up to possibilities the G hardware offers, in any acceptable time frame: they definitely blew it from my view, no matter when they might finally get some urgent things done. Three weeks before the realase of the next workstation would surely be a great possibility! :-)))

- an ARX offer which could really impress. From my view: ARX 03 is fine, though with some unwelcome limitations; ARX-02 was more or less a failure, ARX-01 ok but not more: all in all the boards are not remotely as impressive as they are over-expensive! I will not ask for any more ARX boards later, because I will get myself all I need at better prices much faster elsewhere

- a Fantom G “Experience” online page which truly has added to the overall lamer experience since its start: offering nothing but late and much too little support and support information. A page not updated much and VERY FAR from getting together all essential Fantom G support. It mirrors Roland Japan perfectly, being about as exciting as reading a phone number book.

- a Roland Japan support which is all in all minimal: offering you some slow and each time overdue updates (like a Juno G update NOW!), a few manuals, and some limited video/tutorial material. If Roland US (Dan Krisher and team) and Roland Germany would not do a MUCH better job than Roland Japan, the Roland Japan support could simply be called disastrous. Still it is completely up to external initiatives to provide a forum (Artemiy), additional sounds (Artemiy), more patches (Navarin), a fully working sampling solution (YASE) an online chat (Flumpster) and more or less successful workarounds for existing problems.

As I said, I really don’t care any more. I take the G for what it is, and not any longer for what it should long(!) have become.

Of course I can’t deny that this kind of “Roland experience” has made me wiser ;-). If the company delivering the flagship workstation at the core of your gear treats you like that, customers look for alternatives. In my case

- I had intended to add a V-Synth XT to my gear: I won’t and have just begun checking the alternatives

- I had intended to add a VK 8M, like Mada: I won’t. I have found some nice alternatives, one of them also offering a still better B3 sound.

- I had intended to buy at least one more ARX board if they appear in time: now I won’t buy a single additional one any more; no matter what they might sell in the future. The “too little and too late” principle won’t pay for Roland.

Don’t get me wrong: I’m not feeling angry at all. The G is a fine instrument, and I used and will use it all the time, together with great gear from other companies. But I certainly learnt my Roland lesson and am completely done with it – in a very relaxed way. :-))
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Well said Jimknopf, not much to add really...

Total frustration. :X

But it really makes me wonder: aren't we ever gonna get any comments from any Roland Clan staff about this situation?...
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Did we get any comments at Winter NAMM when we also got nothing?
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Yeah, you're right.

As I had suspected, it all now makes sense, about the release time of the Connects project.
It was only dust in our eyes...
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aren't we ever gonna get any comments from any Roland Clan staff about this situation?...
I didn't know we had a "staff"...
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Ok, make that "Roland Clan Administrator/moderating team".
So, what's your comments concerning zero support for Fantom-G, once again?
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nothing / hiding is a company policy
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DON'T EVER BUY A PRODUCT BASED ON WHAT YOU THINK, OR ARE TOLD, THAT IT MIGHT DO IN THE FUTURE.

YOU ARE PAYING FOR WHAT IT DOES WHEN YOU HAND YOUR MONEY OVER, AND THAT IS ALL THE COMMITMENT YOU CAN EXPECT FROM THE SUPPLIER.
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Cyclops,

I'm not a member of the team you're referring to, but I know something else:

At the moment therea are two threads where people ONCE AGAIN (as you put it) complain about the lack of news and bad Roland support. There used to be three (one was removed earlier today) but I honestly think that one would be one too many. Why don't you address Roland instead? What good does it do you to write the same complaints over and over again?

I know that some think that I support Roland by writing this (as I've heard a couple of times before) but I don't. I simply think that ROLAND should be addressed in this matter, not this forum, which in many other cases is a great one.

I'm sick and tired of people saying bad things about Roland IN HERE. You may be right in thinking bad things about how they handle support and updates of the OS, but don't do it in here, please.
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This goes for Korg, Roland Kurzweil and other companies, that update their products with frequent updates???

Because it seems that Roland is the only company from the "big ones" that has so weak support. ;-)

FatBrass:
Why don't you address Roland instead? What good does it do you to write the same complaints over and over again?
Because i find this place the only way to express my complaints.
In case you forgot, there was a site that had a list with all the bugs/missing features, but its founder closed it (I believe he was forced to close it, because the company wasn't pleased with this...)
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You make it sound like if my comment would bring some kind of excuse or relief to a supposed issue. The Administrator and Mods have no direct affiliation with Roland and I refuse to tell it all over again.
Also, I cannot comment anything based on what SOME users feel. You call it "zero support". I call it " the support that some users HERE would like to have".
You guys make it sound like if there is a Roland plot for taking out your money. I just know and understand that Roland is supposed to make money. If you like their products you buy. If not you don't.
You guys make it sound like if the Fantom-G depends on a update to be a usable instrument. I say that I know that for some users some of the functions don't work as they need but the Fantom-G still excells as workstation.
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but its founder closed it (I believe he was forced to close it, because the company wasn't pleased with this...)
LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!
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"Because i find this place the only way to express my complaints."

Why is this place better than the company that actually manufactures the product?!?!
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There used to be three (one was removed earlier today)
FatBrass
let me just correct that. The thread wasn't REMOVED. It was moved to the Free Zone.
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"The thread wasn't REMOVED. It was moved to the Free Zone."

Ah, thank you. My fault.
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