is there anything wrong with that?
should I buy the G8
should I buy the G8
I have a fantom X7 now that im going to sell to buy the G8 i think...
is there anything wrong with that?
is there anything wrong with that?
Re: should I buy the G8
Well, if you know exactly why you're doing it and have spent some time playing the G8 then no.
Re: should I buy the G8
>>>I have a fantom X7 now that im going to sell to buy the G8
are you crazy?...
are you crazy?...
Re: should I buy the G8
The only thing you should worry about is that the Fantom-G will not read the patches and songs you might have made on your Fantom-X. If you need to keep your songs, save them all as MIDI file (make sure to use format 1 only, not format 0).
Otherwise, you will never look back Thanks to more effects, new sound engine and more internal sounds, you will be able to achieve much greater sound heights. You hear this from a person who tested an X6 with G6 side by side for several months.
Otherwise, you will never look back
Thanks to more effects, new sound engine and more internal sounds, you will be able to achieve much greater sound heights. You hear this from a person who tested an X6 with G6 side by side for several months.Re: should I buy the G8
I basically only play live - the only thing i have to do is to make up some new patches (play a lot of Dream Theater with my band - so i need some extraordinary patches i think)
I haven't tried the G8 yet, so the only experience i have is from "commecial" sources... so i decided to ask the users
There is no other synth that can match it?
(except maybe oasys...)
I think I will order it in a few days...i'm hungry for an update!
I haven't tried the G8 yet, so the only experience i have is from "commecial" sources... so i decided to ask the users
There is no other synth that can match it?
(except maybe oasys...)
I think I will order it in a few days...i'm hungry for an update!
Re: should I buy the G8
"There is no other synth that can match it?"
Kurzweil PC3X?
Kurzweil PC3X?
Re: should I buy the G8
crazy?
You mean I'm crazy that haven't got the G8 yet?
or crazy for selling my x7?
You mean I'm crazy that haven't got the G8 yet?
or crazy for selling my x7?
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I have absolutly no experience with kurzweil except the fact that jordan rudess used it a lot earlier.. But after what I've seen he mostly uses the Oasys/fantom now?
I thaught it was more of a kind of controller keyboard with endless midipossibilities, but it is also a high end synth that can be compared with G8, and better?
I thaught it was more of a kind of controller keyboard with endless midipossibilities, but it is also a high end synth that can be compared with G8, and better?
Re: should I buy the G8
>>>I basically only play live
you play live and you want to drug with you this G8 monster?
why you need workstation if you play live exclusively?
I agree - PC3x much better choice.
you play live and you want to drug with you this G8 monster?
why you need workstation if you play live exclusively?
I agree - PC3x much better choice.
Re: should I buy the G8
In terms of SYNTHESIS power, the PC3X really blows the G away. The things you ca do to the waves themselves in a Kurzweil is absolutely SICK in a good way. In fact, SYNTHESIS wise, the PC3X is so very powerful, the end user can create new DSPs to add to V.A.S.T Add to that a huge number of independently operating arpeggiators and other goodies and you have a hell of powerful instrument.
People carp about the fact that the PC3X has no sampling (at this point) and has a smaller display. I respect those comments. But, having played a G8 next to a PC3X, to my ears, there was simply no comparison. Just compare the out of box Kurzweil Triple Strike Piano to the 70+ acoustic pianos out of the box on a G.
Kurzweil is known in the industry especially for their string emulations. The PC3X is light years ahead of even their earlier legendary synths in this respect.
Artemiy's TweakBook HAS done a lot for the FanX at least in terms of tricks for emulating other types of synth architecture. That and the Planet Mega Pack has transformed my X8 into a new synth. But in a Kurzweil - even the venerable K2xxx series, you don't have to EMULATE different types of synthesis. Those types of synthesis ARE there. The Fantoms - and I love them, are still at heart subtractive synths - powerful though, I grant you that. But Kurzweil pioneered back in 1990 what the OASYS is doing today in terms of various synthesis architectures.
On a Kurzweil you CAN do true additive, FM, AM, etc. It generates its own analog waves so you can actually HAVE analog. The VA-1 built into the PC3X is simply astounding.
People complain about the relatively small ROM wave set in the Kurzweil, but they forget that the Kurzweil allows - even encourages - the manipulations of the waves themselves. Things like wrapper, shaper, and other functions can completely transform waves into something entirely different. On the K2xxx series for example, you can take a snare shot, and through processing turn it into a VERY rich sawtooth wave that is PHAT. The PC3X has taken this concept to insane new heights.
The drawback is that the PC3X has no sampling. But, for me, I already have that covered.
As to the G? I think it would be a fantastic live board. That seems to be its strong suit and that is a very strong suit indeed. But, having said that, it depends on your needs and wants. If you feel you have completely exhausted the possibilities of your X, then by all means buy the G.
For me, I did not buy the G for two (subjective reasons): 1. To me and my needs, it is more of an evolution of the X. Revolutionary? Breaking new ground? For me, no. 2. When I auditioned the X8 back in January, the UltimatGrand patch blew me away. When I auditioned the G three different times in three different stores, I felt that the pianos were lacking. Yes, with tweaking they could be very good. And I love to tweak! However, It says a LOT to me that one patch on the X to my (and others') ears is better than the 70+ pianos in the G.
One last point: Roland has made a big deal about ARX. Cool. But, why only TWO slots? If this technology is so amazing, why not four slots? Or six? Since each ARX has its OWN polyphony, it seems asinine to limit the musician to just two choices. The loss of SRX was also a deal breaker for me as well as incompatibility with files from the X to the G.
Five of my eight hardware synths/workstations are Roland. I love their sound and feel. So I am not here to bash Roland obviously. But the G just lacked - for ME - that certain Roland "something" that I had experienced with their other instruments.
But Tidy, only YOU know your needs. Perhaps the G is perfect for you. Everything I have said is of course subjective, based upon what I need.
But, do not think the G is the powerful synthesiser out there. It isn't.
Since you said that you DO mostly play live, then the G may be the perfect choice for you. Whatever you decide I am certain you will make the right choice for YOU.
Best,
Vlad
People carp about the fact that the PC3X has no sampling (at this point) and has a smaller display. I respect those comments. But, having played a G8 next to a PC3X, to my ears, there was simply no comparison. Just compare the out of box Kurzweil Triple Strike Piano to the 70+ acoustic pianos out of the box on a G.
Kurzweil is known in the industry especially for their string emulations. The PC3X is light years ahead of even their earlier legendary synths in this respect.
Artemiy's TweakBook HAS done a lot for the FanX at least in terms of tricks for emulating other types of synth architecture. That and the Planet Mega Pack has transformed my X8 into a new synth. But in a Kurzweil - even the venerable K2xxx series, you don't have to EMULATE different types of synthesis. Those types of synthesis ARE there. The Fantoms - and I love them, are still at heart subtractive synths - powerful though, I grant you that. But Kurzweil pioneered back in 1990 what the OASYS is doing today in terms of various synthesis architectures.
On a Kurzweil you CAN do true additive, FM, AM, etc. It generates its own analog waves so you can actually HAVE analog. The VA-1 built into the PC3X is simply astounding.
People complain about the relatively small ROM wave set in the Kurzweil, but they forget that the Kurzweil allows - even encourages - the manipulations of the waves themselves. Things like wrapper, shaper, and other functions can completely transform waves into something entirely different. On the K2xxx series for example, you can take a snare shot, and through processing turn it into a VERY rich sawtooth wave that is PHAT. The PC3X has taken this concept to insane new heights.
The drawback is that the PC3X has no sampling. But, for me, I already have that covered.
As to the G? I think it would be a fantastic live board. That seems to be its strong suit and that is a very strong suit indeed. But, having said that, it depends on your needs and wants. If you feel you have completely exhausted the possibilities of your X, then by all means buy the G.
For me, I did not buy the G for two (subjective reasons): 1. To me and my needs, it is more of an evolution of the X. Revolutionary? Breaking new ground? For me, no. 2. When I auditioned the X8 back in January, the UltimatGrand patch blew me away. When I auditioned the G three different times in three different stores, I felt that the pianos were lacking. Yes, with tweaking they could be very good. And I love to tweak! However, It says a LOT to me that one patch on the X to my (and others') ears is better than the 70+ pianos in the G.
One last point: Roland has made a big deal about ARX. Cool. But, why only TWO slots? If this technology is so amazing, why not four slots? Or six? Since each ARX has its OWN polyphony, it seems asinine to limit the musician to just two choices. The loss of SRX was also a deal breaker for me as well as incompatibility with files from the X to the G.
Five of my eight hardware synths/workstations are Roland. I love their sound and feel. So I am not here to bash Roland obviously. But the G just lacked - for ME - that certain Roland "something" that I had experienced with their other instruments.
But Tidy, only YOU know your needs. Perhaps the G is perfect for you. Everything I have said is of course subjective, based upon what I need.
But, do not think the G is the powerful synthesiser out there. It isn't.
Since you said that you DO mostly play live, then the G may be the perfect choice for you. Whatever you decide I am certain you will make the right choice for YOU.
Best,
Vlad
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>>>But, having played a G8 next to a PC3X, to my ears, there was simply no comparison.
Vlad, can ytou comment on keys action? The fantom G8 has excellent action, especially for piano playing. How is PC3x action?
much worse?
Vlad, can ytou comment on keys action? The fantom G8 has excellent action, especially for piano playing. How is PC3x action?
much worse?
Re: should I buy the G8
My advice, don't buy anything ... I'm waiting for a better Kurz ... it WILL happen ... or a better Fantom ... that too will come to pass ... before I upgrade again ..
Re: should I buy the G8
Interesting Vlad - i never thought of it that way.
What scares me a little bit with the Kurz is the annoying little screen. I like to have a bit overview of what i'm doing. i'm bit of a "computer freak" (work as a network engineer).
But if this isn't annoying at all it might be considerable.
Here's what my criterias are for a "good synth":
- Large libary of sounds
- Awsome B3 with leslie-switch (clean and distorted) - the nord Stage is the best i've tried so far.
- Great grand pianos, and some nice cutting piano sound for rock music
- some good String/pad sounds
- a few AWESOME Lead sounds (read: Dream theater, rush, ayreon)
- preferably no "gap" while switching sounds
- an easy way to programme soundsets of a song you want to play and use a "nextpatch controller pedal" to switch sounds.
- Great tangents (I absolutly loved the New Ivory feel keys)
So what i'm still sceptical of the kurzweil will still be this. Now the fact is that i Never laid my hands on a kurz before.
- Is the sounds good?
- B3?
- easy manouver?
- tangents?
- Screen... Annoying?
- a great live keyboard
If the kurz is a better choice for me i will seriously consider it. i will just need to get myself a norwegian retailer that i can get the same discounts as i get the roland stuff for
What scares me a little bit with the Kurz is the annoying little screen. I like to have a bit overview of what i'm doing. i'm bit of a "computer freak" (work as a network engineer).
But if this isn't annoying at all it might be considerable.
Here's what my criterias are for a "good synth":
- Large libary of sounds
- Awsome B3 with leslie-switch (clean and distorted) - the nord Stage is the best i've tried so far.
- Great grand pianos, and some nice cutting piano sound for rock music
- some good String/pad sounds
- a few AWESOME Lead sounds (read: Dream theater, rush, ayreon)
- preferably no "gap" while switching sounds
- an easy way to programme soundsets of a song you want to play and use a "nextpatch controller pedal" to switch sounds.
- Great tangents (I absolutly loved the New Ivory feel keys)
So what i'm still sceptical of the kurzweil will still be this. Now the fact is that i Never laid my hands on a kurz before.
- Is the sounds good?
- B3?
- easy manouver?
- tangents?
- Screen... Annoying?
- a great live keyboard
If the kurz is a better choice for me i will seriously consider it. i will just need to get myself a norwegian retailer that i can get the same discounts as i get the roland stuff for
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I didn't hear the kurz for real so I can't actually judge but i wasn't impressed by the on site demo's. Some great sounds but also weaker areas.
further;
- The FG and XS have large sound libraries
- The Nord hammonds are great. Compared to that FG and XS organs aren't even weak. XS leslies a little better than the FG's. I think there will be a ARX-B3 because the standard B3 is a disgrace.
- FG Grand Pianos aren't really great.
- FG string and pad sounds are ok.
- You can make real nice FG- leads.
- FG seamless switching works great.
- FG programming is very easy
- G8 keys are wonderfull
just my opinion
further;
- The FG and XS have large sound libraries
- The Nord hammonds are great. Compared to that FG and XS organs aren't even weak. XS leslies a little better than the FG's. I think there will be a ARX-B3 because the standard B3 is a disgrace.
- FG Grand Pianos aren't really great.
- FG string and pad sounds are ok.
- You can make real nice FG- leads.
- FG seamless switching works great.
- FG programming is very easy
- G8 keys are wonderfull
just my opinion