No more new workstations THE END
Re: No more new workstations THE END
You are right, I ve suffered enough on my RS 50 to get some good choirs, but I made it. Of course it is not like in the SRX board, but quite well enough. Roland always forget about choirs. It concentrate just on pianos and organs.
Re: No more new workstations THE END
Why wait for roland
do it yourself, its alot easier than you think..
http://forums.rolandclan.info/index.php ... ast#121450
do it yourself, its alot easier than you think..
http://forums.rolandclan.info/index.php ... ast#121450
Re: No more new workstations THE END
Quinnx, why do you think people buy expensive workstations and other hardware? They want to have a studio without PC. Otherwise everyone would buy a master keyboard for 100 dollars, download any software from torrent pages and music production could stop. Why anyone wold buy Roland, Korg, Yamaha or other synth if they have some QL EW product? Because memory is never enogh for such stuff. Symphonic Choirs are 40 gigs, 2-3gb ram for normal work(and this is just choir). Same thing with other EW sample based progs. Plus PC always crashes, and to have a crash while live performing is not too fun.
Apple doesn't crash oftenly, but it is too expensive for an ordinary musicant.
Korg synths have a good sound, but they are boring, nothing special. Roland is fun to play and create. Thats why we wait for roland.
Apple doesn't crash oftenly, but it is too expensive for an ordinary musicant.
Korg synths have a good sound, but they are boring, nothing special. Roland is fun to play and create. Thats why we wait for roland.
Roland is fun to play and create
you are playing with a roland...
that why your other equipment is midi slaved...
Why are you bringing the pc into it. ..?
i dont like PC music and have never said other wise.
Im advocating geting on with it and not putting your life on hold for roland.
and geting any master keybaord and addons will not be the same as using the Fantom as such because its not only a master keyboard its a sampler, sequencer, rps, pads, mfx sound processor too..
which will be carried to the next peiece of hardware you purchase and visa versa..
that why your other equipment is midi slaved...
Why are you bringing the pc into it. ..?
i dont like PC music and have never said other wise.
Im advocating geting on with it and not putting your life on hold for roland.
and geting any master keybaord and addons will not be the same as using the Fantom as such because its not only a master keyboard its a sampler, sequencer, rps, pads, mfx sound processor too..
which will be carried to the next peiece of hardware you purchase and visa versa..
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Ahha, I understand u. But the problem is, that in this case your gear will be very big:)
I actually use Korg for gigs, and thought of X6 for home "production" and later live performance. But the sound is not enough good for me
. I can't use X6 as master, because any other manufacturer don't have a good module, just roland with its sonic cell.
And the other, that roland has different midi channels from korg, and it is not easy to hook them. roland 1-128, korg 0-127.
I actually use Korg for gigs, and thought of X6 for home "production" and later live performance. But the sound is not enough good for me
. I can't use X6 as master, because any other manufacturer don't have a good module, just roland with its sonic cell.And the other, that roland has different midi channels from korg, and it is not easy to hook them. roland 1-128, korg 0-127.
Re: No more new workstations THE END
Normally I do agree that people should make the most of their gear and not be afraid to combine things. The only problem in my situation is that normal samples for the work I do dont cut it all the time...... I get by on them because I have to for the sake of practicality and reliability. All I would ask of Roland is just descent Vox..... No matter what, current synth / sample boards cant provide even close to the same level of sound as Quantum Leap EW Symphonic Choirs.
Thats why the receptor is so attractive to me. It will let me use my plug-ins live and do it reliably. Ive tried the laptop route and once you crash one live, you have to rethink your strategy.
An actual keyboard version of the Receptor....hmmmmm ..... I'm drooling at the thought hehehe.
Thats why the receptor is so attractive to me. It will let me use my plug-ins live and do it reliably. Ive tried the laptop route and once you crash one live, you have to rethink your strategy.
An actual keyboard version of the Receptor....hmmmmm ..... I'm drooling at the thought hehehe.
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sambasevam
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Re: No more new workstations THE END
If someone can tell me what good a new workstation would do them, I'm most willing to listen.
Here's me, without shouting, and echoing another poster's words :
THE FUTURE IS ALREADY HERE.
Live with it. Its fun. I'm lovin' it. I'll have a large coke, and yes, I'd like fries with that.
Here's me, without shouting, and echoing another poster's words :
THE FUTURE IS ALREADY HERE.
Live with it. Its fun. I'm lovin' it. I'll have a large coke, and yes, I'd like fries with that.
Re: No more new workstations THE END
From time to time I check in here to see if by some miracle Roland has announced a new workstation in advance of a Winter NAMM show. Looks like that won't be the case this year, either.
I think with the Motif XS and Korg M3, there is no way Roland is going to get away with another repackaging of the Fantom S/X feature set. I mean, they've taken it pretty much as far as it can go. What are they going to try, the "Super Fantom".
Roland's new workstation (and there will be a new workstation - many musicians don't want to be slaved to computers and software to make music, although certainly the flexibility afforded by same is unarguable) will need to have:
1) Total and complete integration with the computer. Appear to the computer, at least in partner company Cakewalk's program Sonar as a complete plug in. No fiddling around to get this to happen. Plug in one wire and its there.
2) Some type of virtual analog, hopefully at least 16 voices and 4 MIDI channels available, similar to the Korg EXB Radias for the M3
3) More and better sounds. This goes without saying. Workstations live and die on their soundsets. Not that the Roland Fantom-X isn't great (I still love my XR), but time moves on. Definitely a comprehensive orchestral solution would be a big selling point. I mean how many more rompler trance stabs do we really need? And don't abandon the SRX expansion. Many users still rely on these boards (as Yamaha abandoned the PLG expansion boards with the Motif XS). In fact, assuming ROM memory could be exponentially increased, why not include some of the SRX boards sample sets as standard, such as the SRX-12 Rhodes and SRX Brass?
4) Sequencing/User Interface - Roland was first to market with a color screen. Stay with it. Improve anything that needs improving. Let the Roland be the easiest and most comprehensive non-computer sequencer available. Take a look a the Korg and Yamaha sequencers. What do they do right. Use it.
I don't know. Can't think of anything else. Looking forward to seeing Roland's WNAMM entry. Once again, I've come close to purchasing a Motif XS or Korg M3 (much closer to the XS), but am holding off for a few months to see what our guys at RUS will come up with.
I think with the Motif XS and Korg M3, there is no way Roland is going to get away with another repackaging of the Fantom S/X feature set. I mean, they've taken it pretty much as far as it can go. What are they going to try, the "Super Fantom".
Roland's new workstation (and there will be a new workstation - many musicians don't want to be slaved to computers and software to make music, although certainly the flexibility afforded by same is unarguable) will need to have:
1) Total and complete integration with the computer. Appear to the computer, at least in partner company Cakewalk's program Sonar as a complete plug in. No fiddling around to get this to happen. Plug in one wire and its there.
2) Some type of virtual analog, hopefully at least 16 voices and 4 MIDI channels available, similar to the Korg EXB Radias for the M3
3) More and better sounds. This goes without saying. Workstations live and die on their soundsets. Not that the Roland Fantom-X isn't great (I still love my XR), but time moves on. Definitely a comprehensive orchestral solution would be a big selling point. I mean how many more rompler trance stabs do we really need? And don't abandon the SRX expansion. Many users still rely on these boards (as Yamaha abandoned the PLG expansion boards with the Motif XS). In fact, assuming ROM memory could be exponentially increased, why not include some of the SRX boards sample sets as standard, such as the SRX-12 Rhodes and SRX Brass?
4) Sequencing/User Interface - Roland was first to market with a color screen. Stay with it. Improve anything that needs improving. Let the Roland be the easiest and most comprehensive non-computer sequencer available. Take a look a the Korg and Yamaha sequencers. What do they do right. Use it.
I don't know. Can't think of anything else. Looking forward to seeing Roland's WNAMM entry. Once again, I've come close to purchasing a Motif XS or Korg M3 (much closer to the XS), but am holding off for a few months to see what our guys at RUS will come up with.
Re: No more new workstations THE END
The way i see it..
Anyone with a fantom that is still waiting for roland to release a new workstation have not realised the fantoms fullest potential and is just looking for a quick fix.
Learn your gear, be creative..
Personaly i could go on using the fantomx for the next 20 years and still not exaused its usefullness it has so much potential.
Anyone with a fantom that is still waiting for roland to release a new workstation have not realised the fantoms fullest potential and is just looking for a quick fix.
Learn your gear, be creative..
Personaly i could go on using the fantomx for the next 20 years and still not exaused its usefullness it has so much potential.
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Solitary man
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I second that emotion Quinnx.
The trouble these days is that everyone needs more and more effects, sounds, midi channels etc to compensate for their lack of imagination, musical ability. I have been playing for 25 years the first descent setup I had was a Yamaha DX27, Yamaha RX17 drum machine and a Moog Prodigy recorded straight to a Technics tape to tape recorder. No mixer, no sequencer and no effects. Every track was played and recorded individually and then overdubed. It was very time consuming but throughly enjoyable. I still listen to some of the stuff I did then and it still sounds good, well to me anyway.
Now I am not bitchin about peoples attitudes today as it is human nature to want more and more all the time. I just have exprienced music making at its most basic as I'm sure a lot of other people on this site have been in the same situation as me. This has given me a healthy attitude towards my Fantom X and it's abilities. I really love my Fantom X and statisfied with it's abilities which has inspired me to write and record music which I am pleased with.
Anyway just thought I'd get that off my chest.......
The trouble these days is that everyone needs more and more effects, sounds, midi channels etc to compensate for their lack of imagination, musical ability. I have been playing for 25 years the first descent setup I had was a Yamaha DX27, Yamaha RX17 drum machine and a Moog Prodigy recorded straight to a Technics tape to tape recorder. No mixer, no sequencer and no effects. Every track was played and recorded individually and then overdubed. It was very time consuming but throughly enjoyable. I still listen to some of the stuff I did then and it still sounds good, well to me anyway.
Now I am not bitchin about peoples attitudes today as it is human nature to want more and more all the time. I just have exprienced music making at its most basic as I'm sure a lot of other people on this site have been in the same situation as me. This has given me a healthy attitude towards my Fantom X and it's abilities. I really love my Fantom X and statisfied with it's abilities which has inspired me to write and record music which I am pleased with.
Anyway just thought I'd get that off my chest.......
Re: No more new workstations THE END
Hardware don't evolve so fast as PC hardware because it doesn't have to. It has fixed functionality and don't have to deal ever increasing complexity (and often bloat) of next version software. PC are also used not only by musician so computer based DAW gets benefits of economics of scale of PC whole market.
Since I got MotifESr (and later some other hardware) my interest in VST instruments simply vanished.
Since I got MotifESr (and later some other hardware) my interest in VST instruments simply vanished.
Re: No more new workstations THE END
Hey, lord, I agree with you - receptor sounds like a very temting idea. Actually, there *is* a keyboard version of the Receptor. Well, kind of... It's called Neko. Check out the manufactuters website
http://www.openlabs.com/neko-overview.html
Expensive but interesting. Never seen one though...
http://www.openlabs.com/neko-overview.html
Expensive but interesting. Never seen one though...
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Chille DeVille
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Re: No more new workstations THE END
Quinnx - you will probably like the Access Virus. Very advanced operating system, when it works. Of course, the manual is incredibly short (not even MIDI info) and it can't do half of what the Fantom can, but they do update the OS quite regularly.
Re: No more new workstations THE END
For my part, I'm looking into the distant future when I or perhaps my descendants will become the first fully functional Roland Fantom Cyborg Mutant. I will be a combo of prefabricated genetics and FantomX parts and will be able to compose/create/perform music just by thinking about it. I haven't quite figured out the logistics of things, like how will I plug myself in or how I would upgrade myself. Not to mention sabatoge by rival musicians. But it's a bold new world after all.