What should the VC-3 be?

[DodgingRain]

Full blown drum machine

[Jim Stout]

Hi Guys, Sorry I've been busy lately.

There are some new things on the horizion but I can't talk about them just yet. Plus, things could still change. But when I get the OK to talk about them... it's ON!

Hey DodgingRain
One product that I always thought would be cool would be a V-Synth Drum machine. Take an MV-8000 and merge it with the V-Synth engine and you have one sick instrument. I know that alot of people use the V-Synth to tweak loops and drums so, why not a drum machine with the VariPhrase power? But... It's all really up to Japan and what they want to make.

Now, I want to be VERY CLEAR on this! These are my own personal thoughts.
I DON'T want to see a thread talking about a new V-Drum Machine.
This is ONLY FOR FUN!
but it's fun(he he)

Jim Stout
Roland US

[stevie]

I think physical modelling is a must. This could keep Roland busy for a long time though, since their could be many physical models you could develop - but I want to see them done well not half hearted. If the 64MB system memory is a problem, different cards could be produced for different models - i. e plucked/string model on one, wind/blown on another.

I also like the idea of modular synthesis such as the Nord as others have suggested. It was also be great to have some sort of integration between different sysnthesis methods i.e a sound can be made up of different synthesis oscillators - but I'm sure this can't be done because of the V's architecture.

This only covers what's already been out and about for a few years, so when I get inspired to think of something that's completely new, I'll let you know first!

Cheers, Steve

[tommym]

I thought a sound *could* be made of different synthesis modes: you can have Osc 1 be Analog Modeling, and Osc. 2 be one of the PCM waves. They can go through the same COSM modules, or one go through each different COSM module. They do meet up at the TVA, true, unless you choose no TVA, and they each have their own TVA envelopes too...

[Artemiy]

tommy:

Yes of course you can select any osc type for osc 1/2, and also route them to different COSMs in structure 3 and they will also meet in modulator and TVA.

[stuartprovine]

Don't know if anyone else has mentioned this...

I'm really interested in high quality sound morphing, like the Kyma does. It would be really fantastic if Roland could implement such functionality! I for one really didn't purchase the V-synth to have yet another VA emulator, or retro synth. I bought it for sound designing really original stuff for commercials and film.

Hope some of you agree!

Stuart

[nsheldon]

Hi Stuart.

Welcome to the Roland Clan.

Yes, I tend to agree. Though I've only used the V-Synth for somewhat traditional uses so far, my real reason for getting one was for it's unique sound manipulation and synthesis technique. Uniqueness is really the key with the V-Synth and is its biggest asset. Personally, I'm hoping for an expansion of that uniqueness.

Regards,

Nathan Sheldon
http://www.nathansheldon.com/

[stuartprovine]

Nathan, thanks for the kind welcome.

I would be thrilled if they kept up with the unit's strengths, as you described so well, no matter what they come out with. As long as it's really innovative, and not a re-run or step backwards, then I'm sure we're going to like it.

Thanks again,
S.

[Hugo]

Hi Stuart,
I totally agree that the expansions of the V-Synth should be something out of the ordinary.
If you are desparate in getting a program for morphing sounds, I recommend you look at the Emulator X v2 sampler from Emu. It has a function called 'Transform Multiply', which is supposed to be mindblowing

regards, Hugo

[stuartprovine]

Hugo,

Thanks very much for the good suggestion, but I've known about the EMU function for a little while. I used to own a E4Xt, and I didn't like it all that much (I had a lemon of a unit, and it was a sour experience). The morphing I'm talking about is real-time. I'm not sure if the V-synth has the DSP (the requirements are high from what I understand), but it sure would be cool to implement something along those lines. The main part of my writing was just to suggest that Roland NOT take the well-traveled path with this card. They would be wisest, even on a strictly financial level, to come out with something that prolongs the longevity of the unit, and maybe something that turns it into a classic!
Regards,
S.

[DodgingRain]

One product that I always thought would be cool would be a V-Synth Drum machine.

My thought exactly, it plays into the strengths of the tech. behind the v-synth. You can already use the v-synth to a decent degree as a drum machine (running drum loops through the side band filters while playing them as chords makes for some very different but interesting drum tracks) but it would be nice to see that taken to an entirely higher level maybe with some throw back features and various samples and emulations from old roland drum machines in addition to support for encoding user samples, xox style sequencing, a decent range of time signitures, COSM, looping, a drum roll hit button, pattern reverse button or using time trip to control pattern direction, etc.

It could be the first drum machine that takes user samples and user loops and then can be tempo matched over midi without pitch issues or multisampling issues while being manipulated real time by the user. If we can keep the resample feature that the normal v-synth OS has in drum machine mode then all the better!

Or another variation would be to go with a bass and drum machine instead of just a drum machine....

Hehe... maybe I'll get lucky and predict VC-3 like I did VC-2. VC-1 was a complete suprise to me though.

[stevie]

Not sure i really get this drum machine idea - what extra functionality would it offer that you can't do already with either the V or say an X? Maybe I'm not thinking laterally enough!

Steve

[gilesjuk]

Ok, a serious expansion would be a card which used the PC as some kind of designer (via USB). You could perhaps have some form of wave sequencing and/or basic programming language where you can alter the wave based on criteria.

An SDK would be very nice, the V-Synth does just run software and can use software hosted on PCMCIA cards, so there must be some way of creating a development kit. Would be very hard for most people but the ultimate accessory. I'm sure some commercial vendors would love this.

[EJ2]

Again, some classic Roland emulations - Jupiters, JD800/990 etc. Jupiter shouldn't be a huge problem with the VARIOS version already available.

EJ2 - Double EJ Projects: 9 Fully Karmafied Combi Collections for the Korg Karma or KarmaTriton http://2ej2.tripod.com/

[XyFy]

I totally agree with you, and this was one of my initial suggestions. I think a developer’s kit is a good idea - take a look at the Soundart Chameleon http://www.chameleon.synth.net/english/ ... iews.shtml
Software programming has advanced to a very high level and the emulations available in general are vast. It seems to be a case of 'If you can think it - You can create it'. I also like the suggestion of an MV-8000 in PCMCIA card format. V-Producer could also do with a mass up-date its a very good tool, but a little basic by today’s standards and then port this to V-Synths and Varios in a card format!