Hi William
Interesting discussion abou the piano! Is there a chance you could produce a playable demo of your piano for the Fantom - I do NOT mean the whole piano! - maybe up to an octave? Yes I have listened to the demo from your site BUT! have found in the past that buying from just listening can be frustrating. As a pianist, it is not just the sound of the piano but the playing/response that is just as important. Others may disagree but you will find (and you already know I bet) that the response of an instrument is vital to how a musician interacts with it - and this is a personal thing.
I would be more willing to look at purchase (expensive in our currency!) if I could actually get a feel of it first.
Thanks
Foden
If you need a great piano sound...
I ask the same!
I also ask for a DEMO for the Fantom, but NO response......
rob
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robbie and Fen
You know... I know it sounds reasonable to do that but I've never had to resort to that to sell a piano. During the past five years after many years of display advertising in Keyboard and EM... the pianos sold by word of mouth; largely carried by my licensing agreement with Emu and before that Ensonic. My pianos are probably the best kept secret in the industry but now and then it pops out as it did last July in Keyboard mag where Leny Kravitz was using my Volume I piano for live performance.
The problem is, even if its an octave, it would be plenty enough to do songs with while it wouldn't be enough to really hear anything different than you can hear on the demo. That's why I spelled it out that... the sound you hear is an MP3 recorded from the outputs of the Fantom through an old Mackie board... nothing fancy. And as anyone in here who has bought my disk will tell you... it's truly a spectacular piano in a class by itself... and everything I've said it is.
As I mentioned in an earlier comment, the industry has flooded the market with so many mediocre pianos... each one being billed as the end all be all piano... that buyers are becoming very cautious about claims that a particular piano is better than any other. It just turns out that it's true this time.
As I told someone the other day in here... if you're not sure then wait and see what your peers in here post about it. Now about a half dozen have already posted and they are among the pickiest people I've dealt with... but they're all very happy with their investment as I'm sure you will be too if you purchased it.
If that's the sound you want and you like what you hear... all I can say is... it sounds better than the MP3s and it will inspire you with your fingers on it just as it has those who've posted already.
William
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The problem is, even if its an octave, it would be plenty enough to do songs with while it wouldn't be enough to really hear anything different than you can hear on the demo. That's why I spelled it out that... the sound you hear is an MP3 recorded from the outputs of the Fantom through an old Mackie board... nothing fancy. And as anyone in here who has bought my disk will tell you... it's truly a spectacular piano in a class by itself... and everything I've said it is.
As I mentioned in an earlier comment, the industry has flooded the market with so many mediocre pianos... each one being billed as the end all be all piano... that buyers are becoming very cautious about claims that a particular piano is better than any other. It just turns out that it's true this time.
As I told someone the other day in here... if you're not sure then wait and see what your peers in here post about it. Now about a half dozen have already posted and they are among the pickiest people I've dealt with... but they're all very happy with their investment as I'm sure you will be too if you purchased it.
If that's the sound you want and you like what you hear... all I can say is... it sounds better than the MP3s and it will inspire you with your fingers on it just as it has those who've posted already.
William
williamcoakley.com
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Hi William
If they are that good you may be able to sell more with a demo. I agree an octave is too much. There is a challenge for you as a good programmer!
(I would not have brought a Fantom without auditioning it! - nor would I have bought one just because somebody else (even the maker Roland!) says it is good!)
Foden
If they are that good you may be able to sell more with a demo. I agree an octave is too much. There is a challenge for you as a good programmer!
(I would not have brought a Fantom without auditioning it! - nor would I have bought one just because somebody else (even the maker Roland!) says it is good!)
Foden
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
William,
whilst I don't profess to know the ins-and-outs of your sales peformance vs. advertising/demos, I can understand why some people wish to try a demo before buying the disk. Even though the price is quite reasonable for the evident quality of your product, some people may still worry about spending that much for a set of sounds they might not be happy with for whatever reason.
So... a few suggestions.
1) Are your products available through music shops? If so could you please name some shops where Fantom owners can go and try it out?
2) I take you point completely about someone being able to actually use a 1 octave demo of your piano, but if someone is going to use it without buying the full product, how likely were they to buy the full product anyway? As a solution, why not sell the 1 octave demo for a token non-refundable fee, say $30-$50. That is a smaller amount for someone to "risk", and should they like it and buy the full product, you discount the full product by the amount for buying the demo disk. That way, your hard work is protected, but the prospective buyer has a less risky way to try out your product.
N.B. when I say "risk", that is no reflection upon your product, but rather the "percieved" risk on the part of the prospective buyer.
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Dave
http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/
"Musicians fall into three categories: those with a physical block, those with a mental block and those with a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!
whilst I don't profess to know the ins-and-outs of your sales peformance vs. advertising/demos, I can understand why some people wish to try a demo before buying the disk. Even though the price is quite reasonable for the evident quality of your product, some people may still worry about spending that much for a set of sounds they might not be happy with for whatever reason.
So... a few suggestions.
1) Are your products available through music shops? If so could you please name some shops where Fantom owners can go and try it out?
2) I take you point completely about someone being able to actually use a 1 octave demo of your piano, but if someone is going to use it without buying the full product, how likely were they to buy the full product anyway? As a solution, why not sell the 1 octave demo for a token non-refundable fee, say $30-$50. That is a smaller amount for someone to "risk", and should they like it and buy the full product, you discount the full product by the amount for buying the demo disk. That way, your hard work is protected, but the prospective buyer has a less risky way to try out your product.
N.B. when I say "risk", that is no reflection upon your product, but rather the "percieved" risk on the part of the prospective buyer.
)Dave
http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/
"Musicians fall into three categories: those with a physical block, those with a mental block and those with a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!
I agree with that!
Sell one "full" (the best) Piano demo, when people heard it.....and say;
"THATS THE BEST" they will buying your whole CD.....
let me know what you think!!!
rob
"THATS THE BEST" they will buying your whole CD.....
let me know what you think!!!
rob
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
I have to interject here, while I understand the veiw that a one octave demo would narrow the perceived risk to a potential buyer, I also understand the perspective of not providing a one octave demo.
#1 multiple audio demos have been made available to audition the patches
#2 plenty of reveiws have been posted by reputable members regarding their complete satisfaction and expressing the high level of support, also verifying that all claims are entirely acurate.
#3 obviously regardless of personal opinions Mr. Coakley knows exactly what he is talking about. And is an expert at what he does, he has industry credibility, and like many very highly intelligent people, has difficulty being patient with people that criticise,mock, or ignorantly bash his life passion and verifiably excellent ability or product
even comparing public domain samples (provided by college students) to his painstaking work is a serious insult and any resulting comment was justified in my opinion(within reason)
the problem is that amatuers have a problem with thinking they are professionals and some times professionals get tired of hearing the amatuer spout like hes a pro.
a side note to everyone reading all the piano posts if you look back there are numerous posts complaining about the quality of the Fantom Pianos (to some extent I am happy with the quality, it is better than most) BUT!!! I feel that it is without doubt that It could be better! turn off the mastering and actually listen to the piano... it sounds like hammered DOG CRAP!!! rule of thumb garbage in garbage out!! the mastering fixes a lot of the problems, yes, but why not just eliminate the problems so that the mastering would enhance what was already beautiful.
being satisfied with mediocre doesnt make you a bad person, trying to drag down somone that aspires for better is the signature of mediocrity
JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.0,V-Synth 2.0,B4 Real 7.0 B3 Emulator,Traction 1.0,Sound Forge 7,Acid 4.0,Mackie DFX 12,Alesis QuadraVerb
#1 multiple audio demos have been made available to audition the patches
#2 plenty of reveiws have been posted by reputable members regarding their complete satisfaction and expressing the high level of support, also verifying that all claims are entirely acurate.
#3 obviously regardless of personal opinions Mr. Coakley knows exactly what he is talking about. And is an expert at what he does, he has industry credibility, and like many very highly intelligent people, has difficulty being patient with people that criticise,mock, or ignorantly bash his life passion and verifiably excellent ability or product
even comparing public domain samples (provided by college students) to his painstaking work is a serious insult and any resulting comment was justified in my opinion(within reason)
the problem is that amatuers have a problem with thinking they are professionals and some times professionals get tired of hearing the amatuer spout like hes a pro.
a side note to everyone reading all the piano posts if you look back there are numerous posts complaining about the quality of the Fantom Pianos (to some extent I am happy with the quality, it is better than most) BUT!!! I feel that it is without doubt that It could be better! turn off the mastering and actually listen to the piano... it sounds like hammered DOG CRAP!!! rule of thumb garbage in garbage out!! the mastering fixes a lot of the problems, yes, but why not just eliminate the problems so that the mastering would enhance what was already beautiful.
being satisfied with mediocre doesnt make you a bad person, trying to drag down somone that aspires for better is the signature of mediocrity
JC THE MC...
Fantom X6 2.0,V-Synth 2.0,B4 Real 7.0 B3 Emulator,Traction 1.0,Sound Forge 7,Acid 4.0,Mackie DFX 12,Alesis QuadraVerb
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
I understand and appreciate the suggestions and I thank you for them. But if you don't believe your peers who've posted here... then whom would you believe?
William
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William
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
William,
I don't think it's really a case of believing your peers or not. We very often get the question here: "What sounds best, Motif or Fantom?", to which we always reply that they should try them for themselves and see which best fits their own requirements. I think any purchase should be made from your own information "supplemented" by the opinions of your peers.
Now I'm in no way trying to tell you how to run your business but was rather making suggestions from the customer's point-of-view.
I'd also like to say that, despite the recent "issue" some mebers have had, I (and I suspect many forum members) value your presence here, so thanks for taking the time to participate and share your experience and knowledge.
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Dave
http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/
"Musicians fall into three categories: those with a physical block, those with a mental block and those with a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!
I don't think it's really a case of believing your peers or not. We very often get the question here: "What sounds best, Motif or Fantom?", to which we always reply that they should try them for themselves and see which best fits their own requirements. I think any purchase should be made from your own information "supplemented" by the opinions of your peers.
Now I'm in no way trying to tell you how to run your business but was rather making suggestions from the customer's point-of-view.
I'd also like to say that, despite the recent "issue" some mebers have had, I (and I suspect many forum members) value your presence here, so thanks for taking the time to participate and share your experience and knowledge.
)Dave
http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/
"Musicians fall into three categories: those with a physical block, those with a mental block and those with a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!
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dboulden
Thanks, I know most here like having me around and the one or two who don't ...well, God bless 'em.
When I used to shop for a keyboard, I would take a cassette player and later a DAT... plug it into the outputs and listen through the headphone out of the tape deck. That way when I got home I knew exactly how it was going to sound in my studio. It saved me thousands. Consider my demos a cassette playing back what the pianos sound like. The question then is... 'how does it sound when I play it?' Well, I don't know how much a different set of fingers can change the sound.
Anyway, if you are any other member here is interested I will hold the pre release offer open to you for an extended period of time. And I will notify when it is about to terminate.
BTW... how's your studio sounding... did you get any foam?
William
williamcoakley.com
When I used to shop for a keyboard, I would take a cassette player and later a DAT... plug it into the outputs and listen through the headphone out of the tape deck. That way when I got home I knew exactly how it was going to sound in my studio. It saved me thousands. Consider my demos a cassette playing back what the pianos sound like. The question then is... 'how does it sound when I play it?' Well, I don't know how much a different set of fingers can change the sound.
Anyway, if you are any other member here is interested I will hold the pre release offer open to you for an extended period of time. And I will notify when it is about to terminate.
BTW... how's your studio sounding... did you get any foam?
William
williamcoakley.com
Re: If you need a great piano sound...
Thanks William. I haven't had chance to get the foam yet... in fact I'll probably be getting a Motif ES7 to complement my X7 first (hopefully in the next 2 weeks when I receive a couple of payments from invoices I've just issued for some work), but straight after that I'll be turning my attention to installing the foam in my studio.
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Dave
http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/
"Musicians fall into three categories: those with a physical block, those with a mental block and those with a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!
)Dave
http://www.drstudio.demon.co.uk/
"Musicians fall into three categories: those with a physical block, those with a mental block and those with a wooden block". Unfortunately, I'm in the 1st category!
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dboulden
I'm working on the Motif version of the Hamburg D right now. It should be ready in a few days. Email me if you like and I can give a progress report and let you know how its coming along... and most of all, how it sounds in the Motif.
William
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William
williamcoakley.com
Demo
William - when you make the comment 'how does it sound when I play it?' then I worry - you missed my point earlier. An instrument is not only about sound, but also how it responds to an individual playing it - even electronic ones! - hence why there are many professional musicians who do not own the same thing.
JC - if we believe everything we read on the internet (including this forum) then we would all be in trouble. I am not putting down anyone here - I am glad William is looking in and taking part same as you. Fact is fine, but the perfect piano (not meaning yours William!) is opinion despite however we rate this place and the people. (yes I love it!). (Have a look at the Keyboard reviews on Harmony Central to see how people take contrary views of the same instrument!)
William - another option? Maybe releasing just one piano for the Fantom that some of us could try - for a more modest price - with an option to upgrade to the full disk?
Foden
JC - if we believe everything we read on the internet (including this forum) then we would all be in trouble. I am not putting down anyone here - I am glad William is looking in and taking part same as you. Fact is fine, but the perfect piano (not meaning yours William!) is opinion despite however we rate this place and the people. (yes I love it!). (Have a look at the Keyboard reviews on Harmony Central to see how people take contrary views of the same instrument!)
William - another option? Maybe releasing just one piano for the Fantom that some of us could try - for a more modest price - with an option to upgrade to the full disk?
Foden
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
Mr.Willaim, what happened to you? I thought everything was going fine just when you cause another havoc in the other forums.
Artemio (and others), dude, seriously, you need to read his other posts in KSS and KC. you wont believe the things he is doing. You just wont. I've never seen anyone act like this before. :-O (for lack of better emoticons)
When Mr.William disappeared, i thought he was banned for his outright behaviour in the other forums. I'm suprised he's still hanging out here knowing what a wreck of a reputation he's created for himself.
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Artemio (and others), dude, seriously, you need to read his other posts in KSS and KC. you wont believe the things he is doing. You just wont. I've never seen anyone act like this before. :-O (for lack of better emoticons)
When Mr.William disappeared, i thought he was banned for his outright behaviour in the other forums. I'm suprised he's still hanging out here knowing what a wreck of a reputation he's created for himself.
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Re: If you need a great piano sound...
Are you aware that many people are turning against you and your pianos? Some claim that your statement on Ivory is foolish and most of them agree that Ivory is a far better sounding piano than yours.
Now just because they said that, you have launched attacks against some of them, and you have edited posts in your own forums in a childish manner as to support yourself and ridicule others.
How can you write stuff like "Martin Hines is gay." and " Dave Horne
I'm gay William I want you to know that i vinally came out... I'm gay now don't hang upp oikay "
This is extremely ridiculous. Just because someone critized your piano doesnt mean you have to launch personal attacks against them.
YOUR PIANO SUX. IVORY AND SRX-11 ARE FAR BETTER PIANOS THAN YOURS. what are you gonna do now? Banish me from your kingdom? pfftt.......
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.
Now just because they said that, you have launched attacks against some of them, and you have edited posts in your own forums in a childish manner as to support yourself and ridicule others.
How can you write stuff like "Martin Hines is gay." and " Dave Horne
I'm gay William I want you to know that i vinally came out... I'm gay now don't hang upp oikay "
This is extremely ridiculous. Just because someone critized your piano doesnt mean you have to launch personal attacks against them.
YOUR PIANO SUX. IVORY AND SRX-11 ARE FAR BETTER PIANOS THAN YOURS. what are you gonna do now? Banish me from your kingdom? pfftt.......
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.