RD700GX vs SV-1 vs CP5

[delirium]

I'm seriously thinking about replacing my RD with SV-1 or alternatively with yamaha CP5
Anybody here have similar temptations? I'm interested especially comparison RD with SV-1.

[V-CeeOh]

Quickly, in a few lines:

- In my oppinion The SV-1 a very nice looking and sounding stage piano . In fact, it's the very firty keyboard from Korg which I enjoy playing Ac.Piano sound (no I didn't like the one from the Oasys, and from the M3). I also like the Eps and Clavs. The Organs are overall playable but nothing really special. The rests of the sounds (on the "Others" banks) are really a pain to my hears. They sounds like if they were from another completely board

BUT

- Although you have a PC editor and librarian for builduing libraries you only have 36 sounds and 8 memories onboard (called Favorites) . I find this very limited for using live unless you're strickly using basic keyboard sounds. Way less then the full range of sounds you have on the GX.

- Only 2 parts on the SV. You can layer 4 sounds on the GX plus another 4 for external gear.

-It's "only" 80 voice poliphony against 128 on the GX

- By no way the RH3 keyboard can compare with the GX PHAII Ivory Feel with Escapment.

In the end the SV-1 pays high for its good lookings

[Mystic38]

I have played the SV1 briefly, the keys seemd a bit loose with side to side movement, but i guess i cannot expect anything like the key feel of the RD anywhere else..

My favourite patch on the RD was the expressive grand.. Any opinions here on the S70/S90xs?.. this has the advantage that it is essentially also an XS rack.. but probably a better direct competitor to the SV1 than the RD

[delirium]

>>>- By no way the RH3 keyboard can compare with the GX PHAII Ivory Feel with Escapment.

yeah, that's why I bought RD700GX in first place. I wish roland put in this board better EP's and Pianos...and simple recorder instead off silly other sounds, completely unusable synhs sounds, rhythms etc.

[keyfix2000]

When it comes to accoustic pianos the SV-1 is not to be taken too seriously.
And it's not multitimbral !!!

If you really wnat to replace your RD and can afford a CP-5 this is THE choice at the moment.

I know what I'm talking about since I have the RD-700GXF while my son plays the CP-5.
It's got the undisputed greates grand piano sounds available at the moment (OK, maybe V-piano and CP-1 ...) and it's e-pianos are absolutely not less than the SV-1's

[delirium]

got to try CP1 didn't have a chance yet, I wonder what is the feel of that new wooden keybed?

Keyfix2000, can you compare it to RD700GX keys action? I know it doesn't have escapement but it's wooden keys so...

[dewster]

>>It's got the undisputed greates grand piano sounds available at the moment (OK, maybe V-piano and CP-1 ...)

Wrong, Roland SN AP beats it hands down.

[delirium]

>>>Wrong, Roland SN AP beats it hands down.

you're delusional
seriously yamaha pianos since S90ES forward are the best pianos out here.
No question about it.

[keyfix2000]

delirium,

To be honest I don’t distinguish the wooden keys.
When you hold down a key you can see the side face of the neighbour keys made of timber.
This is a question of consciousness, not so much of what you feel while playing (imho).

The action seems slightly lighter to me.
I don’t really miss the escapement since the fine-tuning of the dynamic response and the velocity adaptation of the sounds are really really good.
When you’re used to the GX’s action you might even call it cheaper at first but once you’ve dived into the sounds you’ll realize the perfect reaction.

The surface is not that rough like Roland’s which is „designed to absorb moisture, ensuring a secure, slip-proof feel, even in the hottest stage environments where sweaty hands can spell disaster“.
If you’ve got a problem with moisture Yamaha’s synthetic ivory doesn’t go that far.
But real natural ivory (on my 100 year old upright piano) doesn’t absorb moisture either.

All in all it feels a bit lighter but got a better response.

[dewster]

> you're delusional
> seriously yamaha pianos since S90ES forward are the best pianos out here.
> No question about it.

Sorry, I should have been clearer, I was speaking technically in terms of sound generation of the acoustic piano voice.

All Yamaha DPs that I've analyzed, including the S90XS and the AvantGrand, employ looping, and almost all also employ stretching. Both are generally audible so you can't use them for serious solo recording work. They may sound & feel great when you play them, but their sound generation technology is very tired old school stuff compared to Roland SN AP.

[delirium]

Dewster,
I know what you're saying but in the end what matters is sound which comes to your ears and regardless roland pianos are each note sampled etc still yamaha sounds better and clearer when playing solo piano. Especially this is "visible" when playing very low register notes, yamaha allows me to be able to hear all notes no matter how low or high I play.
On roland keyboards the lower I go the bigger the mess...

[dewster]

Yes, well, I guess I have a stricter criteria of what is basically acceptable in terms of sound technology. I can hear the looping and stretching in the latest Yamaha offerings (AG, CP1), whereas Roland SN is free of these horribly lame compression issues. Once Yamaha passes this hurdle I'll start taking whatever their sound actually sounds like seriously. Until then I'm not very interested. The easily impressed should ignore my ramblings.

[delirium]

I can hear the looping, phasing and whatever you call it but still the chord is more clear and consistent on yamaha to my ears. On roland each octave sounds like from different piano...

One argument is really compelling to me - best keyboard players out there play usually yamaha boards. e.g. Chick Corea, Keith Jarret etc

http://www.chickcorea.com/ask-chick/47-your-questions/1...

others using motif series:
Daisuke Asakura, Infected Mushroom, Oliver Palotai from Kamelot, Michael Pinnella from Symphony X, Hip Hop/R&B producer K.O.B.R.A. of The Association and Audio Assassins, Paul Wickens from Paul McCartney's band, Stevie Wonder, Bob Dylan, John Legend, Aryan Nazari, Alicia Keys' band, Elton John, Robert Lamm and Bill Champlin from Chicago, Green Day, Ray Charles, Chick Corea, Die Sektor, Michael McDonald, Clemo of Calif Records, Kenya, Bon Jovi, Mariah Carey's band, David Bowie's band, Justin Timberlake, Barry Manilow, Gary Numan, Beyonc's band, Lonestar, Brian Wilson, Scott Storch, Tim Freedman, Pink's band, and Nick Carter.
besides yamaha makes acoustic pianos roland doesn't...

http://www.vintagesynth.com/yamaha/motif.php

I think they know what they are doing

[dewster]

Argument from authority. And the big guys almost certainly get their boards free as part of Yamaha's advertising campaign. Yamaha is certainly good enough for pros to use, but that doesn't mean there isn't something better out there.

[marlboronegro]

I think we all have crushes on different pianos, I test with a motif yamaha mo S90ES and once a week, and have a very nice pianos sounds, but the dynamics of sound is not real, they are good keyboards, but are not of the best I've played, personally I have a rd700gx and I think it is a superior model, and I receive my lessons playing a baby grand Yamaha G2, but there are always those who prefer yamaha, I have not tried the new series cp, but I had a CP33 and sold because it was very short sounds.

Another thing I like about RD700gx is that it has a capacity of editing sounds much deeper than cp, so you can always build the sounds to your preference, in cp this is very limited.

Some prefer other roland yamaha, but I would like to hear a comparison between the new rd700nx and CP5.

And sorry my bad English but I am using a translator:)