Audio Issue

[Dusty Loops]

Hi,

When I convert my performance into an audio track and save it on to my card, the audio doesn't have the same punch and brightness to it as it did previously. The performance will sound a lot live through the speakers, but soon as its been converted and on my computer, it doesn't sound the same through the speakers. Any possible ideas to what might be the cause? Thanks.

[raccoon]

try to apply pre-emphasis to it and see what happens. it's in the audio edit menu.

[KRE8A]

There could be a bundle of reasons why, Dusty.
If you are listening through a good set of external speakers which are connected to your computer, adjust the EQ sliders to suit comfort of the song.
I don't know how your system is set up, but I'm sure others will pop in to help.

[dbijoux]

KRE8A is right, the answer could likely be complicated.

Preemphasis will add highs to the audio. Typically, this is necessary if you are using external samples or resampling for playback through the Juno. However, you said you're transferring to your computer for playback.

It's difficult to offer a solution without knowing more about the performance/song, how you are recording(and/or mixing) and what kind of audio setup you have on the computer.

Something you might try; when you create the final track for playback, use the Mixdown function(pg 110 in the manual) to bounce all MIDI/Audio tracks into one file.

It could be your computer just has not so good sound card. Don't let yourself be fooled tho, it is no small task to create something that is bright, punchy, and sounds the same on different systems.

Welcome to the adventure...

[Dusty Loops]

Thanks everyone for all your help. I'll give it a shot and see what comes about.

[raccoon]

KRE8A is right,
so long as we have someone here to arbitrate who is right and who is wrong, i'm happy

[Dusty Loops]

K, I tried a couple things and haven't seen any changes, so I try my best to explain whats going on. I've just started using this machine, so I may not be entirely familiar with everything, but I've gone thru the book twice or so.

All I'm doing is creating a simple 8-16 bar midi track. Within Performance/Song, I make my beat using various instruments and mix each part down accordingly using Part Mixer. Once done, I hit Effects and make sure the Master switch is on and select the User Master preference for now. I then go to Audio Track and press Shift/Mixdown to record the midi track and assign it to Track 1. I then hit Write and save it as a Sample onto my PC Card. This is where I notice that the track recorded sounds slightly blunt than the midi track. I check back and forth and there is a change. I then link the USB connection and transfer the saved sample on to my desktop. And when I play it, it sounds bland and low in volume. All the punch that was there in the midi is gone.

I have a simple set-up. I have Pioneer speakers hooked up to my computer and I plug them into the Juno. I don't really have an EQ setting when they are hooked to my computer. All simple. Even if I don't use the speakers, I notice the exact same different when I hear the song through my headphones. The saved sample on my PC Card is way different than the midi track.

I'll try going through the book again and reading up on the mixing. If you guys can offer anything else, I'd appreciate it. Thanks again!

[dbijoux]

Raccoon, you are right too! Lol, arbitrator eh?

Ok, Dusty, here's the deal - if you record/mixdown/resample audio inside the Juno-G and then play it back through the Juno-G, you will most likely want to add preemphasis to the sample.

The reason behind this is, as you can see in another post of mine with pictures, the Fantom/Juno series have what is basically a low pass filter on the output stage. While this works wonders on the internal waveforms, it inevitably takes away some shine from your samples.

If you resample multiple times without adding preemphasis, this of course is going to multiply the effect until you have near nothing above 12khz.

Punch and dynamics of a multitrack recording is a complete different subject, but I think if you follow the suggestions here you'll at least be on your way to tackling that.

[I AM]

hi Dusty! guys here are right use emphasis and then normalize to your final mixdown... the other option iis to record mix via analog outs of your Juno into soundcard ( if you have one).....

[Dusty Loops]

Can you plz direct me to specific pages in the manual on premphasis?

[I AM]

don't have a manual right now, but it's somewhere in Edit Audio section..... there are truncate, normalise and also emphasis functions.... if you have .PDF version of manual, you can use search there...

[raccoon]

page 121 has both emphasis and normalization. do both and see what happens.
both take time. that's the bad part. if you record a 5 minute song, then emphasise it, normalize it and write it to the card, you could spend an hour for all of this. i am not kidding.

[Dusty Loops]

An hour of fun, ha. Thanks guys. I'll definitely give it go tonight.

[dbijoux]

A few quick points...

Normalization is not a rule, if you can get away without it, all the better. While it may make it sound louder, it does nothing to help the actual recording; only the opposite.

Preemphasis is 'needed' when the samples are playing back through the Juno. The final mixdown should transfer to your computer without preemphasis. It is only in the output stage of the Juno that filtering occurs.

[Dusty Loops]

Hi Guys,

So the preemp and norm haven't helped at all. The audio track still sounds dull and low. I guess I'll give Roland a call and see what they have to offer. The ppl at the local intrumental shop said they just record directly into ProTool so they don't have any problem like this. I don't understand why it changes once you turn midi into audio. I'm not even using any imported samples. Oh well.