OS 1.10 now 3 months old / 3 months since last update...

[jessej]

It's been 3 months since the last update...
I thought we should start celebrating with a cake!



I really hope Roland is working on a huge update since it is taking so long to get it done!

- JesseJ -

[phil_]

if the next date is on par with the first one ill be trading my g for a motif.

[mateus]

hey man, I had same idea. Roland support, SW and FW is very poor..
I don't want wait for lazy roland people...

[keysme]

Just another day at the office?



They say that Japanese men are very lazy about doing household chores. Could the same be said about Japanese businessmen at the office or the factory??

Now, before everyone starts to excoriate Roland Japan, remember, the first update was very speedy in getting to us Fantom G owners, and which I personally thought was a sign of outstanding customer service, and the update a major one, in my opinion, because the inclusion of multi-sampling for one.

Yes, three months is a long time if you compare it to the time it took to get the first update i.e. = one month. But I look at it this way: they will be offering a good number of fixes and enhancements with OS 1.20 and Roland wants to get it right the first time around.

I truly expect Roland to "surprise" us with OS firmware revision 1.20 sometime before the Christmas holiday if not sooner. The reason I said "surprise" is I also firmly expect OS 1.20 to be quite an extensive update that will be major in its proportion and will garner accolades from all but the pickiest of Fantom G owners. >> PS: I know we'd all like to "have it all" and all in one update if we could, but we're slowly getting there and we just have to be patient. If you feel your patience has worn thin by Roland's timetable instead of it being on your timetable, all I can say is try and hang in there. It will be worth the wait in my opinion....

[superchris]

How bout they give us copy and paste within prases. I mean thats the most basic function and it doesnt work. You can only copy a whole phrase not certain bars. However i record into logic most of the time so i do most of the arrangement inthere. But that doesnt make it right to charge workstation prices for a sound module.

[jessej]

I'm working on 3 albums at the moment. I'd really like my scissors and glue way before Christmas...

[keysme]

But that doesnt make it right to charge workstation prices for a sound module.

Agreed Chris! >> They say that saving as SMF won't be available in OS 1.20, so I guess they can only do so much at one time. If they did everything in one update we probably wouldn't see that update for perhaps another year or so. Can you imagine the outcry from FG owners if we had to wait a year or so for an update for our Fantom G? Yes, you're right; it would echo all the way to the stratosphere and blow down the doors at Roland's headquarters in Hamamatsu Japan; all the while castigating them in the eyes of the general public along with those in the music media as well. They'll probably give us quite a substantial update, but it will still be considered a work in progress nonetheless.

>> Jesse.. Roland is well aware that there are many professionals using their newest workstation Fantom G, who use it for more than just fun and games.. >> I did say it could be 'sooner' than Christmas. I think we would have all liked it yesterday if we had our druthers, right? But patience is a virtue, it has been said.

It is on the horizon and will be delivered according to Roland's timetable needless to say. I, for one, am full of anticipation and I think it will be sooner rather than later myself.

[jessej]

I'd like to see that big huge awesome update too, but I'd be really happy with an 1.10000000001 update with scissors and glue. Give the coder guy at Roland a coke and a sandwich... and 15mins.. and let him FTP the update

I'm going to be pissed at Roland if there is 8 new screensavers in the next OS. That's wasted time right there...

- Jesse -

[mobetta]

thats strange, i copy and paste within phrases all the time..its real easy...

[Artemiy]

mobetta, superchris probably meant copy/paste BETWEEN phrases.

[superchris]

The copy and paste works at about 70 % of what it should. Im trying to make full songs over here and trying to arrange a full song in the fantom is impossible at this point. I have to arrange the song after tracking into pro tools. I like to give a preview of the hook in the verse right before it drops back into the hook. how do you rename phrases?

[demonp]

The often update for me means only that something is wrong. As I've read the FG forum it will need OS 4.55 update until it will be all working properly.

[keysme]

The OS on the Fantom G is a very sophisticated piece of work from what I have observed and through working with it on my G7 these past several months. To be fair, the Fantom G OS was and still is "incomplete". The Fantom G Manual talks about saving a file as SMF yet we still do NOT have the ability to currently do so on our Fantom G.

The OS is still incomplete and it was even more so when Roland shipped the FG back on May 1st: rushing it out to meet a deadline I might add.. Since the OS is so complicated in my opinion, Roland is up against a pretty slick Operating System and apparently have their work cut out for them in trying to implement and fix whatever needs fixing and adding and enhancing whatever they feel needs to be added and enhanced. It would be nice if they took everyone's wants & wishes into consideration and implemented them, since that would make everybody happy. But, unfortunately it doesn't happen that way, because Roland is completely in control and soverign when it comes to what they should add and/or fix. Hopefully, there are some very kind hearted, conscientious, software engineers at Roland Japan who have close personal ties with the top management personnel in the decision making process i.e. "those in authority who can include or reject some feature, enhancement, or bug fix for the Fantom G based solely on his own management decision." I'm sure the top management confers with each other and they base their decision(s) on their "corporate" agreement as to what should be fixed or added, but ultimately it is just one person who gives the final okay at their headquarters in Japan whether or not to do so. And that one person isn't necessarily the CEO of the company. Hopefully some of the software engineers, who feel the plight of us poor Fantom G owners , are in good graces with the top management, right?

The Fantom X got to update 2.10 and then axed quietly. Some said there were still quite a few things that needed fixing on the X after OS 2.10 was issued, but that was the farthest Roland went with the X.

All I can say is I hope Roland won't give up and throw in the towel so quickly on the Fantom G like they did with the Fantom X. >> If it is really true what people were saying about the X continuing to need bug fixes, etc. that is. Having never owned the X, I therefore can't personally comment one way or the other in that regard.

They i.e. Roland, and they alone, have the power resting in their corporate, decision making, hands - to say to this one - yes, and to that one - no. Hopefully the Fanton G will be a continual - YES! >> Yes to the Update(s)! Yes to the BUG fixes! Yes to the ENHANCEMENTS! And finally, YES! - in their resolve in getting the Fantom G to where it should be - to the ultimate completeness it deserves; and finally epitomized in being the fantastic and truly awesome workstation it is - and they intended it to be all along.

>> The only thing that is holding that up, in my opinion, is in the software realm. Well... that, and superb ARX expansion opportunities hopefully forthcoming soon too. And some great acoustical sound libraries possibly as well. Oops.. I better shut up now.

[Diametro]

BTW ... I may not be the most advanced Fan-X user in history, but I've used pretty much all of its functions and have yet to encounter a bug, system freeze or whatever ... I might not b e trying hard enough ...

The only thing I really wish the X could do on the software side is automate the audio tracks' panning and volume levels ... apparently that's pretty tough since the Fan-G still can't do that either (not a prob. for Garageband, though ... )

[luislobo]

The only thing I really wish the X could do on the software side is automate the audio tracks' panning and volume levels ... apparently that's pretty tough since the Fan-G still can't do that either (not a prob. for Garageband, though ... )

Yes it does ...

Post edit: Hum... seeing the video with again, seems that auto pan/level is only valid for midi tracks... sorry