SRX sound sharing thread deleted - sorry

[Septimo]

Naw man, no one is saying to **sell** them...(maybe your browser is showing my posts in spanish). I don't know anyone selling Rolands patches.. Why would one do that is beyond me.. I know selling them would be illegal, but to share them is another thing. And no If I changed brits songs names they still wouldn't be mine since that's a totally different thing. Bad comparison, but you get points for humor on that... lyrics/music are not the same as parameters... But patches? those are just sounds and once you change the waves to whatever you put in it, that's a totally different patch at that point And Roland can't do di*# about it. If it were a sample of the patch or a sample of the wave of their patches then they have a claim there but in no other way can they. And please don't tell me you've seen someone get in trouble for that specifically cuz I know you haven't. maybe selling their exact patches, but not sharing, and they have to be **exact**. They could even do that to yours! Hmm, Now I think I know why it's such a touchy subject to you.. You don't want no one messing with your planet series huh? Let us know what you would do... lol... But remember I'm not talking about selling anything.

I gave my brother some SRX patches for his X8 (about 20) that I changed with internal waves to substitute for SRX waves, and tweaked maybe two or three parameters to work better with the internal waves. They sound pretty good but of course not as nice as the originals but nice either way.

It's like cromio's V1.52 patches for Vsynth. He actually sampled the actual waves and duplicated the actual patches, but did he sell them? Nope! he gave them away, and now alot of people have benefit from that. You were going to make a sticky for those but you never got around to it.

So i'm not sure what the person in question was doing. don't know if he was selling patches or not but that's not what I'm talking about here.

[manolis]

Mr. Artemiy,

First of all, no one can sell or distribute original work of Roland. This is clear.

After a strong discussion with a person in Athens that know very well this issue,
I have to inform you the following.

Yes, right... And if you rename all Britney's songs they will be yours too!
No. Because you talk about song.
Complete song mean combination of melody, phrases, lyrics e.t.c.
The law is completely different and strong in this case.
But also the law is a little bit open.
As you know, you can copy 4 bars as is without any problem,
depending signature.

Regarding synthesizer's sound data.
In case that you copy the following as is,
then, Patch data, both samples and parameters are protected.

In case that you copy the following edited,
then, Patch data (edited patch parameters) are not protected.

Just for example let us talk about your sound library named "Synth".
You are the designer of this library and you sell & distribute this library.

What you sell exactly? The sound parameters.
What is the core of this library? Roland FG samples.
The result of your sounds (patches) are different from Roland sounds? Yes.
Your patches are identical with Roland FG sounds? No.
You are illegal? No.

[mr. claudio]

Artimy, the Mimik software by open labs(CREATORS OF THE MEKO AND NEKO KEYBOARDS) is sold in every Guitar Center in USA for $39.95. Why would they sell illegal software? Whats the diffenence if I buy the software myself or get it from someone who has it already?here, let me get you up to speed.

www.openlabs.com/mimik.html

[howardS]

mr. claudio, just because I can use this software to sample my gear doesnt mean I can sample it and then share the patches containing the sampled gear. Besides, it is not up to MEKO/NEKO to determine what may be sampled. It is up to the owners of the copyrights on your keyboard and set out in the SRX card licence agreement.

By analogy, I can get software that can record my CD's from my favourite artists but just because I can buy writeable CD's doesnt mean I can make these copies and share it with my friends. That is not how copyright works.

[Artemiy]

manolis, you have some good points. However, I do think that there is a potential problem with posting SRX patches for download: Roland can claim this affects SRX board sales. And the author may be asked to compensate the estimated losses

The bottom line is...

I am just trying to teach you guys to make your own sounds instead of hunting for free sources (which can potentially be not copyright-clean). Even I myself, I do not buy any libraries, because I have learnt how to make my own sounds at the time when I couldn't afford any libraries. Now I can afford to buy them, but I no longer need them... so I can now spend this money on DOES ICECREAM, yum-yum-yum!

[javaj_]

Art, so am I doing something wrong by converting, by hand, the original SR-JV80 patches from the SRX-06-09 cards to Sonic Cell- and then allowing people to download them?

[Artemiy]

javaj, as I know you should not worry about patches in products that were discontinued long ago. Remember that, for instance, the TR-606/808/909 samples are available anywhere now, even built into Korg and Yamaha gear!

[Cloudschatze]

...parameters are protected.

Could you be a bit more specific? Protected by whom, as specifically mentioned where?

I need to know, now that I'm working on my "Ultimate SysEx Generator". All current patches are prior art, but anything "new" or clever that you come up with will already be owned and claimed by me. I'm going to sue you, of course. That is, unless you agree to my licensing fee. No hard feelings, okay?

[manolis]

To Cloudschatze:



Copyright protected as mentioned on the manual.

FG6 OWNER's MANUAL (Page 8) IMPORTANT NOTES



ARX-01 OWNER's MANUAL (Page 6) IMPORTANT NOTES


This mean if I rent a FG including ARX boards is prohibited?.

[manolis]

Mr. Artemiy,
Today I checked arx boards.
I'm confusing if I have to buy arx boards for my FG because the price is little bit high depending overall advantages.

Functions are really nice. Drums is fantastic!
I found this:
On arx boards there are only 50 patches each.
Can not include arx patches in live mode.
Can use arx patches only as separate sounds or in studio mode.

As I informed is possible to use arx patches only in case that arx boards are installed on FG.
This mean, if I receive some patches for arx boards, those patches works only if my FG include those boards.
Good protection

BTW, If I understand well there are no new samples on arx boards. Only additional "visual" software for sound managment.

Here is the patch list of arx boards.
I don't know why but not included on arx owner's manual.

[V-CeeOh]

You can not include arx patches in live mode.

Yes you can. Go to PART VIEW - EXP-1 or EXP-2(depending on the slot you used to place the board).

On arx boards there are only 50 patches

correction: on the ARX-1 and 2 there are only 50 patches, yes. We don't know how it's going to be with future boards. However, these 50 are fully editable.

If I understand well there are no new samples on arx boards

No, ARX boards are completely separate synth engines. So they produce their own sounds. They don't pick up the samples from the internal waves. They even add their own polyphony.

[Artemiy]

manolis, you have spent very little time or paid very little attention to the widely available descriptions of the technology, and yet you post wrong conclusions here nevertheless... Do not post for the sake of posting. Lean something first.

[manolis]

"Do not post for the sake of posting."
ok , I'm sorry.

[Artemiy]

manolis, my apologies if I upset you with my strict language, it's just that we have too many negative posts here from people who did not read enough and complain that this or that function is not present or something is not working. If people learned more, it would save everyone a lot of time and nerves

[Cloudschatze]

FG6 OWNER's MANUAL (Page 8) IMPORTANT NOTES

ARX-01 OWNER's MANUAL (Page 6) IMPORTANT NOTES

Where, exactly, is the mention of SysEx patch-data?

No matter. Here are the current U.S. Copyright Laws.

I didn't see any specific mention of synthesizer patch-data here either. Perhaps I might just missed, or misinterpreted, it though; feel free to take a look. Or, better yet, check your local copyright laws - perhaps they're more specific.