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Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
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Triple-x:
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thunderkeys,
it's completely ok to request features which reflect many musicians' whishes, listener and market structures.
I just think the Fantom is not the right adress for *this* request.
Of course something like an SRX with HipHop drum samples and loops could help a little bit. But as was pointed out, these sounds could become outdated very fast.
Sampling is no alternative on the Fantom as things are now (no harddisk, heavily outdated file system with short names etc.).
Even I as a playing keyboarder who likes to use interesting samples and loops, since Yase made it easy to use the Fantom like that, can only use it for sampling in limited ways: loading samples simply lasts *much* too long, so sample space, which seems to be 512 Mb at first glance, in fact is much more limited by totally untolerable loading times.
So the major drawback is the Fantom OS in connection with its storage system. Roland can't solve this problem within the present Fantom structure, even if they wished. It would be a completely other machine which could deal with the hiphop/sampling/flexible electronic drums request.
it's completely ok to request features which reflect many musicians' whishes, listener and market structures.
I just think the Fantom is not the right adress for *this* request.
Of course something like an SRX with HipHop drum samples and loops could help a little bit. But as was pointed out, these sounds could become outdated very fast.
Sampling is no alternative on the Fantom as things are now (no harddisk, heavily outdated file system with short names etc.).
Even I as a playing keyboarder who likes to use interesting samples and loops, since Yase made it easy to use the Fantom like that, can only use it for sampling in limited ways: loading samples simply lasts *much* too long, so sample space, which seems to be 512 Mb at first glance, in fact is much more limited by totally untolerable loading times.
So the major drawback is the Fantom OS in connection with its storage system. Roland can't solve this problem within the present Fantom structure, even if they wished. It would be a completely other machine which could deal with the hiphop/sampling/flexible electronic drums request.
Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
it is , but i like how it read when i first saw it as separate words, even though its a definition.
your the only one that caught that thus far or that's said something anyway..
but its irrelevant, I'm changing it soon when i get a chance to my gear list
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your the only one that caught that thus far or that's said something anyway..
but its irrelevant, I'm changing it soon when i get a chance to my gear list
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
Some things could be improved - the inability to use different folders for songs/samples (among short filenames) would need only a change in filesystem firmware.So the major drawback is the Fantom OS in connection with its storage system. Roland can't solve this problem within the present Fantom structure, even if they wished. It would be a completely other machine which could deal with the hiphop/sampling/flexible electronic drums request.
Lack of some editing functions as well.
The pianoroll editor could be more convenient with different zoom levels, ability to group notes for an editing function (and more).
It's somewhat sad people are complaining about new synthesis "methods" where if to set a productivity as the priority there are much more important factors.
The said slow i/o performance for samples for an example. It takes too much time.
Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
I purchased the fantom for
What I could do with it rather than ..
what it could do..
Thats the mistake people make
they buy gear hoping IT will do some thing for them rather that WHAT THEY CAN DO.
Relying on gear to do the magic takes away from the musician.
I personaly have experienced this with other people who listen and then give credit to the Gear and not the person perfoming it as if it took no effort but to push some magic button and it was all created for you.
But there are a few people here that actualy want this magic button and thats fine, but..
It all boils down to this
are you a Musician: (Creator of all thats new and fresh)
or an Operator: (Some one thats sees the presets as being the limits of there creativity)
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What I could do with it rather than ..
what it could do..
Thats the mistake people make
they buy gear hoping IT will do some thing for them rather that WHAT THEY CAN DO.
Relying on gear to do the magic takes away from the musician.
I personaly have experienced this with other people who listen and then give credit to the Gear and not the person perfoming it as if it took no effort but to push some magic button and it was all created for you.
But there are a few people here that actualy want this magic button and thats fine, but..
It all boils down to this
are you a Musician: (Creator of all thats new and fresh)
or an Operator: (Some one thats sees the presets as being the limits of there creativity)
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triple-x
Yes, I became a bit off topic because I am used to think in contexts.
No, I'm not just into prejudice about hiphop.
And how should I have a "preconceived opinion of hiphop, r&b, and dance music" after I have been doing R&B and Funk before Hiphop could even profit from all that, and now having some nice friends here in the German Hiphop scene?
What I am critical about does not come from Myspace amateur videos, but from listening and viewing Hiphop live, on Internet Radio, in TV etc. Many sources.
Just believe me: I am among those who *appreciate* hiphop elements in R&B! Many creative, fresh ideas! But that does not make me blind to idiotic texts and childish boasting attitudes which are widespread in all kinds of hiphop culture. And it does not make me blind for the very limited musical skill of many hiphoppers.
My ranting was meant positive: why shouldn't a hiphop producer begin developing a certain interest in playing something like a Fantom or a synth or a Rhodes or a Wurlitzer like it is, *besides* using his or her sample gear?
"2)The MPC was originally created for the rock producer(by a rock producer) to fix drum tracks. True hip-hoppers didn't complain because the MPC was sold with out the right drum sounds. - I agree completely.. instead they went out and found their own sounds and in turn created a style of their own....for Jim to stereotype... lol"
OK: you got me here! Congratulations!
But you got me in the way I wish!
It's exatctly this kind of *creative* *use* which I'd like to recommend instead of just requesting sounds which do not fit into a certain technical concept of a keyboard (like the Fantom, originally designed outside of hiphop use and now hard to adapt to it).
And honestly: if Roland tried to produce an SRX board with the kind of drums requested: how long do you think these drums would count as hip? Roland can't afford producing a drum SRX board which is outdated from the view of those they created it for faster than they can blink...
Yes, I became a bit off topic because I am used to think in contexts.
No, I'm not just into prejudice about hiphop.
And how should I have a "preconceived opinion of hiphop, r&b, and dance music" after I have been doing R&B and Funk before Hiphop could even profit from all that, and now having some nice friends here in the German Hiphop scene?
What I am critical about does not come from Myspace amateur videos, but from listening and viewing Hiphop live, on Internet Radio, in TV etc. Many sources.
Just believe me: I am among those who *appreciate* hiphop elements in R&B! Many creative, fresh ideas! But that does not make me blind to idiotic texts and childish boasting attitudes which are widespread in all kinds of hiphop culture. And it does not make me blind for the very limited musical skill of many hiphoppers.
My ranting was meant positive: why shouldn't a hiphop producer begin developing a certain interest in playing something like a Fantom or a synth or a Rhodes or a Wurlitzer like it is, *besides* using his or her sample gear?
"2)The MPC was originally created for the rock producer(by a rock producer) to fix drum tracks. True hip-hoppers didn't complain because the MPC was sold with out the right drum sounds. - I agree completely.. instead they went out and found their own sounds and in turn created a style of their own....for Jim to stereotype... lol"
OK: you got me here! Congratulations!
But you got me in the way I wish!
It's exatctly this kind of *creative* *use* which I'd like to recommend instead of just requesting sounds which do not fit into a certain technical concept of a keyboard (like the Fantom, originally designed outside of hiphop use and now hard to adapt to it).
And honestly: if Roland tried to produce an SRX board with the kind of drums requested: how long do you think these drums would count as hip? Roland can't afford producing a drum SRX board which is outdated from the view of those they created it for faster than they can blink...
Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
I have enjoyed reading the replies in this post very much, even the negative ones.
The actual purpose if my rant was not really all about the lack of a few drum kits. It was really about competition. Competition between the major Keyboard manufacturers. I am a Roland guy and like my beloved Bears, Bulls and yes Cubs. I want them to WIN. I just think in that one area Yamaha's Motif beats it hands down. My only wish is that they compete in that area as well. I just see Roland losing a lot of money they could easily pick up.
The negative complaints and feelings some people have about the HIP HOP is based on ignorance and lack of understanding. Usually when you see someone behaving badly on the outside is because there something bad going on in the inside.
There are a lot of different styles of HIP HOP/RAP. The F-ing music industry only seems to want to put the worst of it on display. So people based their opinions about the whole genre on a few negative images and personalities.
The music industry is the only industry that lets known felons/drug dealers get gainful employment where millions of dollars can be had. So when these people put out records, what we get mostly negative part of the RAP music..
Personally I think this is done on purpose. Look at the HIP HOP scene back in the 80's and early 90's. Most of the rappers putting out records were in college before they got famous and the music content wise reflected that. Some how the powers that be, decided that the Black community was getting too much positive and empowering information thru RAP music. There was a new Black conscious moment beginning to start up, like back in the 60's and early 70's.
Rap music was the engine that was driving it. Rap was telling kids to vote, go get educated, STOP THE VILOENCE, be positive and love one another. I guess America was not ready for that again. Groups like Public Enemy made America real nervous.
So I guess the industry was told to put a stop to that nonsense and send out a different message. That message is what we all hear today. There is a reason for everything, it’s real easy to criticize something you don't, can't or won't understand. It’s a hell of a lot harder to sit down a really try to figure out what’s actually going on. That’s equivlant to watching the news and believing everything you hear. Can we all say WMD’s?
So let’s just get back to and keep it to, helping Roland make the best Workstation on the market that WE ALL CAN LOVE. Even if it is without some updated drums
THE ROLAND GUY
The actual purpose if my rant was not really all about the lack of a few drum kits. It was really about competition. Competition between the major Keyboard manufacturers. I am a Roland guy and like my beloved Bears, Bulls and yes Cubs. I want them to WIN. I just think in that one area Yamaha's Motif beats it hands down. My only wish is that they compete in that area as well. I just see Roland losing a lot of money they could easily pick up.
The negative complaints and feelings some people have about the HIP HOP is based on ignorance and lack of understanding. Usually when you see someone behaving badly on the outside is because there something bad going on in the inside.
There are a lot of different styles of HIP HOP/RAP. The F-ing music industry only seems to want to put the worst of it on display. So people based their opinions about the whole genre on a few negative images and personalities.
The music industry is the only industry that lets known felons/drug dealers get gainful employment where millions of dollars can be had. So when these people put out records, what we get mostly negative part of the RAP music..
Personally I think this is done on purpose. Look at the HIP HOP scene back in the 80's and early 90's. Most of the rappers putting out records were in college before they got famous and the music content wise reflected that. Some how the powers that be, decided that the Black community was getting too much positive and empowering information thru RAP music. There was a new Black conscious moment beginning to start up, like back in the 60's and early 70's.
Rap music was the engine that was driving it. Rap was telling kids to vote, go get educated, STOP THE VILOENCE, be positive and love one another. I guess America was not ready for that again. Groups like Public Enemy made America real nervous.
So I guess the industry was told to put a stop to that nonsense and send out a different message. That message is what we all hear today. There is a reason for everything, it’s real easy to criticize something you don't, can't or won't understand. It’s a hell of a lot harder to sit down a really try to figure out what’s actually going on. That’s equivlant to watching the news and believing everything you hear. Can we all say WMD’s?
So let’s just get back to and keep it to, helping Roland make the best Workstation on the market that WE ALL CAN LOVE. Even if it is without some updated drums
THE ROLAND GUY
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
Instruments like the ASR10, & EPS16 are as embedded(sp) into the history of hip-hop as the MPC, & the DJ.
The Fantom-S/Fantom-X is far more advanced than either machine. My EPS16+ is sitting in my attic as proof.
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The Fantom-S/Fantom-X is far more advanced than either machine. My EPS16+ is sitting in my attic as proof.
FantomX8
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Now all I need is talent.
Anyone selling any talent??
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
you guys are clueless...
sorry, let me quantify that.
first, my name is tony mission. i live in atlanta, work for grand hustle and do tons of commercial (and some not so) projects around town.
people are saying hip hop is dead because it's mindless now and doesnt talk about all the trials and tribulations of life.
hello!
no one wants to listen to that anymore!
the only way to get shot being white in the hood in atlanta is if you hurt someone's family member. there is no hostility. i have lived all over the country and never seen a city so open to EVERYTHING. rock in their hop, white dudes with suits on at rap events... no one cares, it's all fun. you go to a club down here and there aint no gang signs and gang colors. either you harmed someone over and you got it comin or cats are welcoming you from the other side of town.
why?
because the music is about the come up now, it's about havin a good time, about overcoming obstacles... it's about havin some drinks and checkin out hot girls and havin a blast. trim down that beard a bit and stop stroking it so much and realize music is supposed to be fun... it's supposed to be an escape.
no one wants to sit there depressed talking about how bad their life is... we got that enough.
rap has changed because it needed to. ... if you've ever been out to an atlanta party with every race intermingling and doin random cheers and all sorts of things, then you have no idea what im talking about.
but i can relate. and it's the first time i could ever say that.
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sorry, let me quantify that.
first, my name is tony mission. i live in atlanta, work for grand hustle and do tons of commercial (and some not so) projects around town.
people are saying hip hop is dead because it's mindless now and doesnt talk about all the trials and tribulations of life.
hello!
no one wants to listen to that anymore!
the only way to get shot being white in the hood in atlanta is if you hurt someone's family member. there is no hostility. i have lived all over the country and never seen a city so open to EVERYTHING. rock in their hop, white dudes with suits on at rap events... no one cares, it's all fun. you go to a club down here and there aint no gang signs and gang colors. either you harmed someone over and you got it comin or cats are welcoming you from the other side of town.
why?
because the music is about the come up now, it's about havin a good time, about overcoming obstacles... it's about havin some drinks and checkin out hot girls and havin a blast. trim down that beard a bit and stop stroking it so much and realize music is supposed to be fun... it's supposed to be an escape.
no one wants to sit there depressed talking about how bad their life is... we got that enough.
rap has changed because it needed to. ... if you've ever been out to an atlanta party with every race intermingling and doin random cheers and all sorts of things, then you have no idea what im talking about.
but i can relate. and it's the first time i could ever say that.
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
mission
I like your positive thinking but believe there's no need to use foul language. I've edited your post in accordance to the Forum policy.
I like your positive thinking but believe there's no need to use foul language. I've edited your post in accordance to the Forum policy.
Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
Mission what you're saying is about YOUR version of the music.
The "COME UP" that’s code for (I'm going to get mine and I don't care how)
Having drinks that's code for (Being drunk and getting high)
"Checking out some girls" is code for (seeing them all as bitches and Ho’s)
Music is about much more than that. It’s also about using it to change for world, exchanging ideas and bringing people together in ways simple words, religion and politics can't do.
Your version of the music does none of that. If it does bring people together, it’s for the wrong reason.
This for me is not a pissing contest with you, but a explanation to why your version of the music is the only version were getting through various multimedia companies.
Your version of the music suits their agenda and you are helping them to facilitate it. They want us to get together for your reasons. Drinks, Girls and the come up makes us all look like idiots and gives the perception that’s we are drunks, women chasers and thugs.
Rap is the most powerful medium ever invented and it has been Hijacked and held hostage. For me personally it’s about variety. There is all kind of rock, all kinds of pop, all kinds of jazz, all kinds of dance and all kinds of country. We get to hear this everyday on the radio and TV. The RAP we get is just that one version of it and that’s why it may be becoming irrelevant. Its sound the same, it talks about the same thing, it drives the same cars, it sleeps with the same girls and it only uses the same 10 lyrics. No need to write them down here, we all know them.
RAP would serve you, me, us and the world much better if it was still used to help change the world for the better. If it were also used for the exchanging of ideas and culture. If it were used to bring people together in ways religion and politics refuses to do.
“If you’re not part of the solution, then you’re part of the problem”
(Somebody smart said that)
THE ROLAND GUY
The "COME UP" that’s code for (I'm going to get mine and I don't care how)
Having drinks that's code for (Being drunk and getting high)
"Checking out some girls" is code for (seeing them all as bitches and Ho’s)
Music is about much more than that. It’s also about using it to change for world, exchanging ideas and bringing people together in ways simple words, religion and politics can't do.
Your version of the music does none of that. If it does bring people together, it’s for the wrong reason.
This for me is not a pissing contest with you, but a explanation to why your version of the music is the only version were getting through various multimedia companies.
Your version of the music suits their agenda and you are helping them to facilitate it. They want us to get together for your reasons. Drinks, Girls and the come up makes us all look like idiots and gives the perception that’s we are drunks, women chasers and thugs.
Rap is the most powerful medium ever invented and it has been Hijacked and held hostage. For me personally it’s about variety. There is all kind of rock, all kinds of pop, all kinds of jazz, all kinds of dance and all kinds of country. We get to hear this everyday on the radio and TV. The RAP we get is just that one version of it and that’s why it may be becoming irrelevant. Its sound the same, it talks about the same thing, it drives the same cars, it sleeps with the same girls and it only uses the same 10 lyrics. No need to write them down here, we all know them.
RAP would serve you, me, us and the world much better if it was still used to help change the world for the better. If it were also used for the exchanging of ideas and culture. If it were used to bring people together in ways religion and politics refuses to do.
“If you’re not part of the solution, then you’re part of the problem”
(Somebody smart said that)
THE ROLAND GUY
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
do you mean T.I 's label Grand Hustle ????
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
*sigh* If you're depending on Roland and yamaha to bring out something that'll completely fulfill your every desire, you're doing something wrong.
Get one hardware workstation/controller, and go all software. There are infinite advantages to that route. There are software samplers now that are 10x more powerful than what Roland would bring out 10 years from now. Stop wasting money on the latest and greatest keyboards. Go software if you're short on cash and need that quality.
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Get one hardware workstation/controller, and go all software. There are infinite advantages to that route. There are software samplers now that are 10x more powerful than what Roland would bring out 10 years from now. Stop wasting money on the latest and greatest keyboards. Go software if you're short on cash and need that quality.
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
yo mission ,I completely agree man. hit me up .. I'm in Atl too and used to work off bankhead for "bigboy records"
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To Jim:
My point this entire time has been "why limit yourself to one thing"
I personally DO NOT expect Roland or any Company for that matter to include EVERY sound and feature I'm looking for into ONE piece of Gear. I understand the market place AND various Company point of views as well as My own on that topic.
THUS is the reason I said we must be versatile.
I do so by having multiple pieces of gear in my setup (Roland, Yamaha, Korg and Emu) as well as a large sample library to use/play with.
I mean in this day and age why be limited creatively to what can be created musically or melodically. isn't this why guys spend countless hours on sound design and trying to create new and ever more sicker sounds like crazy laser sine swipes.. and gigantically huge claps, and phatter than ever heard before pads and thicker saw synths... etc etc etc..
creativity doesn't stop at melody for all of us man.
I think Jmosses point was just:
"boy it sure would be nice to have a few more drums in here" or rather, "Wow... obviously Roland has a R&D team, dont they see how many more fantoms they could sell if they just had better drums?"
I mean at the end of the day for all these companies it is all about the bottom line $$$$$$$
lastly.. QUINNX.. You are 110% RIGHT .
when i look at new gear or even old gear.. im looking at what I can make it do based on its feature set.. or how user friendly it may be.. im not looking for the "Instant hot beat" button or the "instant gratification" switch.
But unfortunately in these times its too easy for any joe blow to download reason or walk into a music store & leave with a workstation and call themselves a Producer or musician. Its happening now this very instant, until pretty soon one day every album that comes out will have to have a default title of
" Music: so easy anyone can do it"
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To Jim:
My point this entire time has been "why limit yourself to one thing"
I personally DO NOT expect Roland or any Company for that matter to include EVERY sound and feature I'm looking for into ONE piece of Gear. I understand the market place AND various Company point of views as well as My own on that topic.
THUS is the reason I said we must be versatile.
I do so by having multiple pieces of gear in my setup (Roland, Yamaha, Korg and Emu) as well as a large sample library to use/play with.
I mean in this day and age why be limited creatively to what can be created musically or melodically. isn't this why guys spend countless hours on sound design and trying to create new and ever more sicker sounds like crazy laser sine swipes.. and gigantically huge claps, and phatter than ever heard before pads and thicker saw synths... etc etc etc..
creativity doesn't stop at melody for all of us man.
I think Jmosses point was just:
"boy it sure would be nice to have a few more drums in here" or rather, "Wow... obviously Roland has a R&D team, dont they see how many more fantoms they could sell if they just had better drums?"
I mean at the end of the day for all these companies it is all about the bottom line $$$$$$$
lastly.. QUINNX.. You are 110% RIGHT .
when i look at new gear or even old gear.. im looking at what I can make it do based on its feature set.. or how user friendly it may be.. im not looking for the "Instant hot beat" button or the "instant gratification" switch.
But unfortunately in these times its too easy for any joe blow to download reason or walk into a music store & leave with a workstation and call themselves a Producer or musician. Its happening now this very instant, until pretty soon one day every album that comes out will have to have a default title of
" Music: so easy anyone can do it"
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Re: Just another RANT from a loyal Roland Guy
@ mod: my bad man... i get excited sometimes. (i can play nice)
@ roc: ya, i guess you could say it's ti's label... but he's never there. j-get runs that whole show.
@ trip: fersher bruh. just sent ya an email. lets get up. i stay off 20 in reynoldstown (central).
i agree with you too. and even IF, i DONT want an all in one piece. I want to put my hands on the knob of a Neve 1073 and watch the readouts on an Avalon ... all in one is not for me but i can see it being a smart biz decision for some of these manus.
@ jmoss: there is no them and me. code word stuff is only on the tracks. ill admit there's a lot of talk. lemme tell ya, most of the guys dont ahve the 24s, they dont have the 50k on their wrist... they dont have all that. honestly the fashion side of hip hop is something ill never understand (i dress like a boring skater i guess) but to say the come up is about screwin (caught myself there) people over), i dunno... i assumed you were a black man -- that's using a huge brush on a smaller canvas. i know a lot of guys (myself included) who started out or spent time in the trap cuz that's the only way your family keeps the lights on when you're 12. thats not flappin people over ... that's the environment. the guys i know that serve in my area and hang out are some really good, genuine kids who just have bad parents. it's just the market. it's sad, and a lot don't make it, but you drive around and see as many black folks riding in 80k BMWs with a white collar and sharp tie than anyone else. the come up represents YOUR come up -- the words are just that. it's poetic in its own lowest common demoninator way. the hope scholarship in georgia says anyone with a 3.0 GPA or above goes to college. do you know how important that is to this state? its growth? the abolishen of poverty and crime? it's been huge, this city is amazing!
and checkin out some girls is seeing them as "bitches and hoes" ?? im not sure i understand that... there's more "you are a goddess" vibe stuff out then of the old 2pac (mister poet btw... mister make a change(s)) vibe at times. the black woman is being celebrated, embraced... shit tons of white folks who speak "normally" are after the nubian princess. she's ridiculously beautiful and it's easy as sin for them to get the man. any of them.
and that's why the music's changed. cuz life's a lot better... there are ops for everyone ... and lines like "i aint got big trucks with expensive rims / i got / 5 bucks til my check comes in" that put S.O.B on the map ... well no one wants to hear that, cuz very few people in any of my circles (top to bottom) can relate to being down to five bucks. things are happening for everyone. and if you are down to five bucks and shit's bad, then get off the couch -- you're just lazy. because around here, if you wanna get to work, you can.
i have bbq'd 23 times in the last 14 days!
life is GREAT!
@ roc: ya, i guess you could say it's ti's label... but he's never there. j-get runs that whole show.
@ trip: fersher bruh. just sent ya an email. lets get up. i stay off 20 in reynoldstown (central).
i agree with you too. and even IF, i DONT want an all in one piece. I want to put my hands on the knob of a Neve 1073 and watch the readouts on an Avalon ... all in one is not for me but i can see it being a smart biz decision for some of these manus.
@ jmoss: there is no them and me. code word stuff is only on the tracks. ill admit there's a lot of talk. lemme tell ya, most of the guys dont ahve the 24s, they dont have the 50k on their wrist... they dont have all that. honestly the fashion side of hip hop is something ill never understand (i dress like a boring skater i guess) but to say the come up is about screwin (caught myself there) people over), i dunno... i assumed you were a black man -- that's using a huge brush on a smaller canvas. i know a lot of guys (myself included) who started out or spent time in the trap cuz that's the only way your family keeps the lights on when you're 12. thats not flappin people over ... that's the environment. the guys i know that serve in my area and hang out are some really good, genuine kids who just have bad parents. it's just the market. it's sad, and a lot don't make it, but you drive around and see as many black folks riding in 80k BMWs with a white collar and sharp tie than anyone else. the come up represents YOUR come up -- the words are just that. it's poetic in its own lowest common demoninator way. the hope scholarship in georgia says anyone with a 3.0 GPA or above goes to college. do you know how important that is to this state? its growth? the abolishen of poverty and crime? it's been huge, this city is amazing!
and checkin out some girls is seeing them as "bitches and hoes" ?? im not sure i understand that... there's more "you are a goddess" vibe stuff out then of the old 2pac (mister poet btw... mister make a change(s)) vibe at times. the black woman is being celebrated, embraced... shit tons of white folks who speak "normally" are after the nubian princess. she's ridiculously beautiful and it's easy as sin for them to get the man. any of them.
and that's why the music's changed. cuz life's a lot better... there are ops for everyone ... and lines like "i aint got big trucks with expensive rims / i got / 5 bucks til my check comes in" that put S.O.B on the map ... well no one wants to hear that, cuz very few people in any of my circles (top to bottom) can relate to being down to five bucks. things are happening for everyone. and if you are down to five bucks and shit's bad, then get off the couch -- you're just lazy. because around here, if you wanna get to work, you can.
i have bbq'd 23 times in the last 14 days!
life is GREAT!