tone editting

[Datavalue]

I create a new single voice, then I go to edit the tone. I then choose sin/sqr/tri anything.
Pressing a keys at random intervals, sometimes does not play any notes. why is that?

is it mfx doing that? how do i turn that off so it always plays a note when i hit the keys?

[xp30]

Can you describe in more detail how you can reproduce the issue? If so, please start by pressing the "Single Tone" button, to make sure that you start from an initialized scene. For example:

• Press the "Single Tone" button.
• Press the "Param" button in the Synth Ctrl section.
• Select "Utility" -> "Tone Initialize" on the screen.
• Go to the "Osc Type" section and select "VA".
• Go to the "Osc Prm" section and select "SQR".
• Press 10 keys, and some of them will ...

[FGM]

I create a new single voice, then I go to edit the tone. I then choose sin/sqr/tri anything.
Pressing a keys at random intervals, sometimes does not play any notes. why is that?

is it mfx doing that? how do i turn that off so it always plays a note when i hit the keys?

Things that can make the sound not to be heard as soon as a key is pressed....in my Fantom 8.

1...Velocity. Say Tone edit> Pro> KEYBOARD>Velocity is adjusted 90 lower and 100 higher. You hit a key softly, velocity not reaching 90, and it doesn't sound. Now you hit the key as strongly as possible and it doesn't sound as velocity reached 150 and the higher value is 100. Now you hit again and velocity is 91 and it sounds...
My goodness, why didn't I stop myself and bought this thing instead ? Relax, I also questioned myself that way for a couple of endless weeks. Fantom is great. Astounding.

To grant velocity is not interfering, set lower to 1 and higher to 127. Then play softly, intermediate and hard and see if your three ways are within 1-127.

Velocity is complicated a bit further by setting values below and above the initial lower and higher settings so as to get some margin. Also, the OSC could be set to FIXED velocity or to many values, also defining the type of curve it follows, seven available, and even can be made to be not velocity dependant at all.

2...TIME KEYFOLLOW. This is such a great feature I cannot tell you. It allows to introduce voices or make them dissapear as you walk the keyboard without having to turn knobs, moving sliders or calling a pedal in. Just move along the octaves. Let's see how.

Set different loudness for the same wave based on a key (BIAS POINT, 60 being C4) , a direction (Lower, Upper, Both) and with a steep you set from -100 to +100. Say you want a piano to play from A0 to A4 at a constant loudness but to decrease it till no piano is heard above A5. Set BIAS point 69 (it is A4, as C4 is 60 and you are starting 9 semitones above it), set value -100 (minus 100 as you want loudness to decrease) and direction UPPER.

You could be playing "a piano tone" and find F#4 is a bit too light in sound. Mmmm...must be this black key is malfunctioning. Mmmmm...
No, it is ok. In fact there are two pianos (as different waves, each on a given partial, but in the same tone that is being used in a given zone: say 13 AC Piano1 pL from bank C and 10 StGrand fC L also from bank C). Let it be just two partials, instead of the four available. Well, it could be a wave is set to decrease from F#3 (Bias 54, -100 upper) and the other wave is set to start from F#4 (Bias 66, +100, upper).
Add some brass and strings on the other partials and apply different time keyfollow on each and some keyboard ranges with a rolling memory chord mixed with arpeggio and there you go...Wait, just one zone used, 15 more internal waiting and another 16 external...
I told you: astounding.

See that Upper can use -100 to +100 and the same for Lower. You can go down (lower) increasing (positive) or decreasing (negative) and you can go up (upper). increasing (positive) or decreasing (negative).

And there is even more, as we have been dealing with Time Keyfollow applied to the AMP ENV and it turns out it is also available for PITCH ENV, FILTER ENV and for LFO1/2 as a delay.

3...Keyboard range. No sound if a key is played outside the keyboard range. If the zone is not layered the keyboard range has no effect and all the keyboard will be sounding the tone. As soon as it is layered, as soon as it is LIT (Red or Yellow if using Advanced setting under System) the range is active. So you hit a key and it sounds but then discover a little button next to a knob, push it (layered now) and it doesn't sound (out of keyboard range).

4...Delays. A wave can be made to sound immediately (NORMAL, HOLD; no delay), after a given time has elapsed (NORMAL, delay applied) or after a key has been hold a given period of time (HOLD; delay applied) or after the key is released (two modes available, KEY OFF NORMAL or KEY OFF DECAY; no delay) or after the key is released and a given time has elapsed (two modes available, KEY OFF NORMAL or KEY OFF DECAY; delay applied).


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[Datavalue]

thanks - great answer will investigate those steps.

my steps to reproduce are:

press single tone
press menu
select tone edit
set structure to va
leave osc prm on saw

press c chord a number of times and hear different sounds
turn off the other 3 partials
hit c chord hard - no sound
hit c chord light - some saw sound produced

i was expecting a clear reproducible saw tooth sound
which if you hit the keys repeatedly plays the same sound

i needed to do tone inititalise which I found from the utility menu
must be something left lying around from the default single tone

now I can start learning envelopes!

[xp30]

If you press Single Tone, and then Tone Edit in the menu, then you are editing the sound PR-A:0189 Ac Pop Piano 1 (which is the first Z-Core tone in the piano category, and which is automatically selected when pressing Single Tone). This tone uses 4 partials, and they are split into 2 key ranges and 2 velocity ranges.

You can see that by pressing To PRO on the screen and then selecting Keyboard in the navigation bar on the screen.

Try changing Key Range Low and Velocity Range Low to the smallest value and Key Range Up and Velocity Range Up to the largest value for all enabled partials. Does it still happen that some keys will not produce a sound?

As mentioned before, you can initialize the tone by pressing Utility and then Tone Initialize on the screen. Initialized tone are easier to understand.

[FGM]

Duplicated, sorry...

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[FGM]

thanks - great answer will investigate those steps.

my steps to reproduce are:

press single tone
press menu
select tone edit
set structure to va
leave osc prm on saw

press c chord a number of times and hear different sounds

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Structure to VA ?

No, It cannot be VA.
You mean OSC Type.

Structure is to be active when partials 1 or 3 are to be modulated by partials 2 or 4.

After 31 months with my Fantom I am still to try that feature and I think it will take lots and lots of time for me to catch up on it, adding another reason I am following that 120 years diet for.

If you are actually using a setting bringing structure out of OFF I better stop trying to help you, as it should be the other way around.

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