How to use wave tempo sync?

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Perplextor
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How to use wave tempo sync?

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I imported a rhythmic sample to keyboard. I used a mp3 file with tempo information in it, but how can I select the file to sync the tempo? Is this option for Roland staff only?
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Re: How to use wave tempo sync?

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I don't understand your question...
Well, I do, but I quite don't...
I have not used so far any of the sampling capabilities Fantom has...
I think perhaps I am still barely using around a good 6% of everything Roland managed to place there ... Every time I touch anything I get so many ideas I simply get stuck having so much fun.

Nevertheless, while I am trying to see your point, I think a sample is just a sample and it will accordingly play what was recorded. You say the file has tempo information...well, if I play a song and the screen says it is a 16 bit, 44.1 KHz file composed by Bob Dylan, played by The Monsters Quad at 3/4 and tempo 55, that's it. You play it and it sounds. You place it into Fantom and it sounds. You start playing a piano at 100 tempo and the arpeggiator will use that, but not the song you are reproducing. None of the samples installed by default will play taking into account the tempo. It is the very same [boring, the very same regardless of the scene] sound had you set tempo at 5 or at 300. Shift+Exit will halt it.

Quite another thing is if you assign the sample to the keyboard, making a new kind of instrument based on new version 2.00
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Re: How to use wave tempo sync?

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It seems there is no warp, timestrech, pitchshift algorithm to adapt a sample to the sequencer tempo.

I hoped if I make a tone with a rhythmic sample and select wave tempo sync A tone will do this stuff.
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That is precisely why I said previously that I was understanding your question [I wish I had...] but not quite [Fantom current status].

I understand pads are used to inspire you.
You play them, then you think of something, grab a voice, move this and that...and YOU PLAY FOLLOWING THE SAMPLE, exactly the opposite you are demanding.

So what you want is a conductor that will modify, for example stretching, the already sounding music according to the time it is felt as needed by YOU, the player. You play, they match. I remember many players complaining about Bob Dylan playing along slow tempos...TOO SLOW, CANNOT FOLLOW YOU. And I remember Handel saying, stating: you are a musician if you know how to keep the tempo.

A masterpiece in so doing can be very much enjoyed if you attend the final part of Les Misérables, 10th anniversary concert at the Royal Albert Hall, where conductor David Charles Abell managed to extend the last but one song until the very last singer of the many representing several countries walked the aisle and stepped on the scenario to sing the last song.
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Re: How to use wave tempo sync?

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Perplextor wrote:I imported a rhythmic sample to keyboard. I used a mp3 file with tempo information in it, but how can I select the file to sync the tempo? Is this option for Roland staff only?

Wuz good Bruh,

Heres some game for you that will be HELPFUL to your question. Take it with a grain of salt since I grabbed this from the manual for Roland Fantom-X since it's not listed in the manual for the Fantom Platform. Roland has used pretty much the same interface over the years, but this function may have change,
check it!

Roland Fantom - X User Manual
Wave Tempo Sync 1
When you wish to synchronize a Phrase Loop to the clock (tempo), set this to “ON.” This is valid only when a separately sold wave expansion board is installed, and a waveform that indicates a tempo (BPM) is selected as the sample for a wave.
Value: OFF, ON
If a waveform from a wave expansion board is selected for the tone, turning the Wave Tempo Sync parameter “ON” will cause pitch-related settings (p. 91) and FXM-related settings (p. 89) to be ignored.
• If a sample is selected for a tone, you must first set the BPM (tempo) parameter of the sample.
• If a sample is selected for a tone, Wave Tempo Sync will require twice the normal number of voices.
Phrase Loop
Phrase loop refers to the repeated playback of a phrase that’s been pulled out of a song (e.g., by using a sampler). One technique involving the use of Phrase Loops is the excerpting of a Phrase from a pre-existing song in a certain genre, for example dance music, and then creating a new song with that Phrase used as the basic motif. This is referred to as “Break Beats.”
Realtime Time Stretch
If the wave group is “SAMP” or “MSAM,” and the Wave Tempo Sync parameter is turned “ON,” you can vary the playback speed of the waveform without affecting the pitch.
aobeezy415
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Re: How to use wave tempo sync?

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Perplextor wrote:I imported a rhythmic sample to keyboard. I used a mp3 file with tempo information in it, but how can I select the file to sync the tempo? Is this option for Roland staff only?

Wuz good Bruh,

Heres some game for you that will be HELPFUL to your question. Take it with a grain of salt since I grabbed this from the manual for Roland Fantom-X since it's not listed in the manual for the Fantom Platform. Roland has used pretty much the same interface over the years, but this function may have change,
check it!

Roland Fantom - X User Manual
Wave Tempo Sync 1
When you wish to synchronize a Phrase Loop to the clock (tempo), set this to “ON.” This is valid only when a separately sold wave expansion board is installed, and a waveform that indicates a tempo (BPM) is selected as the sample for a wave.
Value: OFF, ON
If a waveform from a wave expansion board is selected for the tone, turning the Wave Tempo Sync parameter “ON” will cause pitch-related settings (p. 91) and FXM-related settings (p. 89) to be ignored.
• If a sample is selected for a tone, you must first set the BPM (tempo) parameter of the sample.
• If a sample is selected for a tone, Wave Tempo Sync will require twice the normal number of voices.
Phrase Loop
Phrase loop refers to the repeated playback of a phrase that’s been pulled out of a song (e.g., by using a sampler). One technique involving the use of Phrase Loops is the excerpting of a Phrase from a pre-existing song in a certain genre, for example dance music, and then creating a new song with that Phrase used as the basic motif. This is referred to as “Break Beats.”
Realtime Time Stretch
If the wave group is “SAMP” or “MSAM,” and the Wave Tempo Sync parameter is turned “ON,” you can vary the playback speed of the waveform without affecting the pitch.
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Re: How to use wave tempo sync?

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I played around with different formats but it seems that wave sync only works with Roland‘s Wave Sync wavetable and not with user samples.
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