things are coming

[illdrik]

during a Facebook live for kraft music, Ed ans Scott said several times that roland is working on the future update
with "exciting stuffs". wait and see

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyunTP7v0nQ&t=24s

[FGM]

Yes, at 19:10 it looks like Ez was about to voice a top secret...but suddenly he was asked not to.

[BillySynth]

I wish they would improve on the Polyphony at a later stage...I kill the polyphony with big chords in orchestral scenes. Notes dropping off is terrible for live performance even if it is in my music room playing for my own satisfaction and desire...

Vas

[FGM]

I wish they would improve on the Polyphony at a later stage...I kill the polyphony with big chords in orchestral scenes. Notes dropping off is terrible for live performance even if it is in my music room playing for my own satisfaction and desire...

Vas

I recall Mozart being told at the end of a performance by the Emperor himself that the music had too many notes....

If I can be of any help, remember you can edit a tone and set it so as to sound either the strongest or the last note, so at least something will still be heard.

Also, some tones uses many partials than might not be realty needed in a complicated and elaborated performance. Think of it as if you applied something like your own MP3 filter...just removing what will not really be heard.

[Acidizer]

How are you running out of 256 polyphony?

[pianoman41]

How are you running out of 256 polyphony?

Well it's not true 256 note polyphony. It's 256 *partial* polyphony.

As zombietactics explained previously, a "tone" in Roland-speak can use up to 4 partials per voice however.

So, as a practical matter, you can get up to 256 notes of polyphony if you are using single-partial tones. If you are using 4-partial tones, you are limited to 64 voices total. (256/4 = 64). If you are layering 3 X 4-partial tones ... you are down to 21 voices of polyphony or 16 voice if you are layering 4 X 4-partial tones. Even a single-partial tone, if you are playing in stereo, assigns one partial to the left channel and one partial to the right channel, effectively halving the polyphony to 128.

The V-Piano engine is its own pool of "virtually unlimited" polyphony. So using a V-Piano tone (Zone 1 only) leaves you with 256 partials still available. So a V-Piano layered with 3 X 4-partial tones would be unlimited polyphony for the piano, 21-voices for the remaining "layered-stack"

[spottingjonah]

Well it's not true 256 note polyphony. It's 256 *partial* polyphony... a "tone" in Roland-speak can use up to 4 partials per voice however.

That was the best explanation I've seen on this subject... I've gone round and round with folks on this... even a Roland rep... but I guess I kept comparing a partial to an OSC and arguing that no other synth company measures its' polyphony at the OSC level, and I could never find common ground.

[pianoman41]

I can't take credit for the good explanation--member zombietactics is the one who originally posted most of that. But it does explain how it works rather cleanly.

[BillySynth]

Hi all.

Thanks FGM for offering to help. I just accept the limitation.

Thanks Pianoman41 for that lovely explanation you borrowed from zombie tactics

All good gents I’ll live :-)

Vasillios

[Acidizer]

Helpful explanation of the polyphony thanks.

On the MC707 you need to allocate voices (or notes) per track, I think it is 4 per track as default and you can increase or decrease that, so you would set it to 1 for a bassline track and maybe more than 4 for chords...


Is there any of that on the Fantom? Or is the voice allocation dynamic?

[mostinif]

Hi: Yes. You can leave dynamic use of partial pool, AND you could "reserve" a minimun partial pool for each zone.