New user here, love this forum. I just got the Fantom Xa and am liking it for the stock patches and performances and kits. Still looking for that real Grand Piano sound tho, was kinda hoping there were more options than William Coaxley's $300+ piano patch...
Anyways, the Xa only has one SRX expansion slot. I have the SRX07 Ultimate Keys on order after reading the reviews here. I wanted to have access to vintage keys, and also read that they have decent drums too.
As for type of music I will be writing: techno/house/trance at first for a quick fix, but I will be migrating eventually to industrial and movie soundtrack type stuff. So, hard guitar riffs, unique hard rhythms, and classical type emotional motifs. Think child of Juno Reactor and Nine Inch Nails.
Question is, since I can only have one SRX slot, is there a way to make a best-of collection? I was thinking maybe I could save the waveforms and patches from several swapped out SRX cards that I want onto one PC card that would have the "best-of" on it anytime I needed it.
Follow where I'm going with this? On that one PC card I could put select drum one-shot samples from Platinum/Dance SRX cards, add some unique waveforms from World, and a few instruments from Orchestra and Brass. Then I could make the patches and perfomances I needed all from that PC card, and would in effect have access to several SRX boards this way, just having the sounds I used most often all accessbile from one or more PC cards..... thanks.
possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
Well sure, you could do this. B But, any instrumentsthat require sustained notes rather than just one shot samples will require looping. Basically you'd just have to sample the SRX card sound and then do all the sample chopping and looping yourself which might become rather tedious. Plus, if you want to do it that way, why would you not just buy sample CDs of orchestral and world instruments. Then you get much higher quality samples for less money if the overall intent is to sample the SRX and put it in your sample memory anyway.
Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
Thanks Rordog for the response. I'm still unclear tho...
The SRX cards have not only the waveforms, but the patches as well, correct? Does not this also include any longer patches? Seems to me all the work to make good patches is done already on each SRX card... by copying select patches and their accompanying waveforms to one central PC card, you're just getting the best of all worlds...
Sampling and resampling and re-doing loop points seems to me unnecessary and counter-productive. Or am I still missing something? Perhaps I am.
The SRX cards have not only the waveforms, but the patches as well, correct? Does not this also include any longer patches? Seems to me all the work to make good patches is done already on each SRX card... by copying select patches and their accompanying waveforms to one central PC card, you're just getting the best of all worlds...
Sampling and resampling and re-doing loop points seems to me unnecessary and counter-productive. Or am I still missing something? Perhaps I am.
Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
OK, I've never done any sampling on the Fantom X, so someone else better chime in here if I'm dreadfully wrong. But, it seems to me the only way to get waveforms from an SRX card is to sample them. It doesn't make sense to me that there is a "copy waveforms" feature that can just dump the whole wavetable from the SRX or the Fantom itself onto a memory card. Sure, you can copy patch data, like parameters and such, but you have to sample in the actual waveforms.
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sambasevam
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Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
yes you have to sample a waveform. Only the parameters and such can be copied. Waveforms have to be sampled.
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Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
Aye, you would have to sample the waveforms, but most waveforms are oneshot snippets of mostly attack portions of intruments, arent they? It is the patch data like pitch bend upon attack, sustain, multiple tones, LFOs, velocity crossfading, etc that make up the bulk of the musical sound...
Anyways, not to keep on mulling over the point, heh heh. As soon as I get my SRX-07 I will know for sure if it can be done. Just wondering if anyone else had previous experience.
Thanks for the replies.
Anyways, not to keep on mulling over the point, heh heh. As soon as I get my SRX-07 I will know for sure if it can be done. Just wondering if anyone else had previous experience.
Thanks for the replies.
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sambasevam
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Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
Yes, sampling the raw waveforms and copying the patch data would work, however, you also pick up imperfections along the way (looping of an already looped sample, sampling rate) and size of the sample and its loading time will also matter incase you are planning to sample all those samples!
A simple suggestion : Get an automatic sampler, like Sample robot and sample all your patches into the computer. You can then use any sampler to play those patches as you would, your fantom. I dont have it, but heard that it works.
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.
A simple suggestion : Get an automatic sampler, like Sample robot and sample all your patches into the computer. You can then use any sampler to play those patches as you would, your fantom. I dont have it, but heard that it works.
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If at first you dont suceed, then skydiving is definitively not for you.
Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
Alas, you cannot sample the waveform directly. You can only "sample" the recorded (i.e., "audio") output of the waveform within its place in a patch. I would imagine the "purest" way to do this would be to create a patch consisting of the source waveform with absolutely no effects or other programming "tweaks" (or, conversely, applying programming to get the sonic qualities you're looking for).
One possible alternative. If you're thinking about getting SRX-07, which is a compilation of legacy JV sounds, you might instead look for the original Roland CD-ROM libraries from which these sounds were "taken." Originally created for Roland's sampler of the 90's, there were a whole bunch of them covering "Vintage synths," "Keyboards of the 60's/70's" "Orchestral" and others. When the XV-5080 first came out, one of its key selling points was its ability to import waveform samples directly from these CDs.
You can generally find them used all over Ebay and other places, often for less than $30 each.
Jeff in Boston
One possible alternative. If you're thinking about getting SRX-07, which is a compilation of legacy JV sounds, you might instead look for the original Roland CD-ROM libraries from which these sounds were "taken." Originally created for Roland's sampler of the 90's, there were a whole bunch of them covering "Vintage synths," "Keyboards of the 60's/70's" "Orchestral" and others. When the XV-5080 first came out, one of its key selling points was its ability to import waveform samples directly from these CDs.
You can generally find them used all over Ebay and other places, often for less than $30 each.
Jeff in Boston
Re: possible to make a best-of SRX boards?
You wrote:
Aye, you would have to sample the waveforms, but most waveforms are oneshot snippets of mostly attack portions of intruments, arent they? It is the patch
data like pitch bend upon attack, sustain, multiple tones, LFOs, velocity crossfading, etc that make up the bulk of the musical sound...
That's just it, you do have to sample and loop all the waveforms. How are you going to get a patch to sustain if you just record short snips of the waves without looping. So, you have to record all the waves you want, assign them to the associated keys, loop the samples. Then, edit the patch info before you write it to the memory card so it knows to go looking for the samples on the card rather than looking for them on the SRX that won't be installed. I don't envy you this task.
When you try it, let us know how it goes. I think as I suggested earlier, and Rasindot mentioned now, your better option is to use sample CDs.
Aye, you would have to sample the waveforms, but most waveforms are oneshot snippets of mostly attack portions of intruments, arent they? It is the patch
data like pitch bend upon attack, sustain, multiple tones, LFOs, velocity crossfading, etc that make up the bulk of the musical sound...
That's just it, you do have to sample and loop all the waveforms. How are you going to get a patch to sustain if you just record short snips of the waves without looping. So, you have to record all the waves you want, assign them to the associated keys, loop the samples. Then, edit the patch info before you write it to the memory card so it knows to go looking for the samples on the card rather than looking for them on the SRX that won't be installed. I don't envy you this task.
When you try it, let us know how it goes. I think as I suggested earlier, and Rasindot mentioned now, your better option is to use sample CDs.