Split problem (no.2)

[Miyagi]

Hey everybody,

First i like to say that i really like my Fa 06, i can play for hours and hours on this machine.
I bought it to replace my Fantom Xa, which is heavy, for gigs. The workflow on the Fa is very similar to that on the Xa so that was a great advantage for me too...never had to check the manual yet.

But....... i recently found out that there is (at least for me ) an issue with the splitting in a Studioset i never encountered on my XA. I wanted to create a studioset for my Reggaeband, and be able to switch sounds, while playing a constant sound with my left hand in the lower keyrange. BOOM!!!! Keyrange can only be set if you place the part in the mix, with the KBD switch highlighted. Where on my Xa you could create a Performance, set individual keyranges for the parts, and then switch between them.
I could cycle between the parts, set to different keyranges, and at the same time have a lower part on with my keyswitch(on/off) option. On the Fa this results in a layer. The selected part, if kbd not highlighted, uses the whole keyrange and not split with the lower part, who must be highlighted too. In order to get the result i want, i have to constantly switch kbd on and of before switching sounds. I tried changing the keyranges in the tone edit area, but this doesn't work either. I hope you guys understand my writing.
Anyone else here who encountered this "flaw'????

[Joe P]

Miyagi,
I'm not sure this solves your problem, but you can assign the pads to turn the KBD switch on and off for each part in a studio set. While it sounds like it is the same thing you are doing now, it might be faster and easier to pull off live, especially if the part remaining the same is a left hand part.
Regards,
Joe

[Miyagi]

Hey there Joe,
Thanks for your response. Unfortunately this does not solve my problem indeed. I tried this myself, but when i do this i can't use the pads to switch parts. I think i just have to accept that it's not possible as i tried every option i know of. I now create several splits with two parts and save them as favourites....and then hope this will do the trick live.

Thanks.

[analogaddict]

I find it very strange that Roland won't update the synth and give us these rather basic features. Since earlier Roland products can do it, it's merely a question of a software update. As of right now, Roland is the only major mi Corp without a true flagship workstation. It's a shame, really...

[Candy]

http://www.rolandus.com/rtv/product_sup ... tutorials/

Look here and read all about splits and layers

[bennyseven]

Hello Myagi,
I think Joe's solution should work. There is no need to use the PART SELECT by the pads if you use the KBD SWitch pad mode. I use this for a couple of live gigs and it is easy to access (even in the dark) and has no swithcing delay. The light colours give a good visual response on the parts which are active.
In some cases I switch three parts off and on simutanously on the pads. works very well.

As I undestand, you may want to set lower left hand to part 1 and then switch between 15 other parts with the sounds by pad, where you may want to vary the split by individual part zone settings.
Did you try this?
cheers,
bennyseven


@candy: good link!

[Miyagi]

Hello Bennyseven,

I tried every possible option as far as i know of, but this doesn't work.
Because even if i use the kbd switch option on the pads, it will not do the trick, because you have to switch one off and the other on and then you still have to switch the bank numbers in order to select the sound you want to hear. In a live situation this is too slow. I have to switch sounds with one press of a button, and unfortunately its still not possible, at least not in a Studio Set it is. If somebody does find a solution for this, i will be glad if you'd share it here...thanks!!

Greetz,

[bennyseven]

Hello Myagi,
maybe is was misunderstood or we have a different workflow on stage.

I agree with you that it is not practiceable first to select parts by pads to get the focus on it, then select bank, then select sound while the band is playing...

Using the pads to switch parts is based on two principles I use in my live setup. First, each title the band plays is s separate Studio Set (and a separate Song if needed). Second, each Studio Set has a preset of all required sounds (rarely there are two Studio Sets for one title, if 16 parts are not sufficient, soundwise).

In the very most cases sound switching with the pads could be optimized, if the parts in the Studio Set are organized and paired in a way that they could easly be switched on the pad board.
This means, Part 1-4 is my Strophe setup and could be switched to the Chrorus with Part 5-8 by two quick four-finger strokes first on pads 1-4 and then pads 5-8.

Using one Studio Set for a whole set or gig, just by switching sounds in a hurry may work for some people and shurely depends on the way music they are playing, but is not very comfortable in my eyes.

Greetings,
BennySeven

[Miyagi]

Hey BennySeven,

Thanks again for the response, but i still think you don't fully understand my problem with the splitting.
When you play Reggae like i do, the basics are...a comping bubble(organ)sound on the left hand and a Piano on the right, and for solo's several sounds on the right.
For you to understand my problem try this;

1. Create a Studio Set.
2. Part 1 a comping sound like f.e. an orgel or whatever feels good to you, and set the splitpoint to e.g. b3
3. Part 2 a piano sound, above b3 to end.
4. Make sure the kbd switch for part 1 is on, for you want to have this part on continuously, and splitted.
5. Select sounds for the other parts.

Now, start comping with your left and while you do that select another part with the pads,.....it uses the complete keyboard range including the keys from part 1......arrrrgggh.....because its not possible to set the keyrange from the different parts without turning on the kbd switch. Sure you can do this if you make small splits on the board and have them all turned on, but i need 2 sound splits in a Studioset with an organ always present on the left hand, and the other part played from b3 and up.

As i don't believe this will be fixed with an OS update, i just have to accept and enjoy the other features in this almost perfect keyboard.....

Thanks.

[bennyseven]

Ok Myagi,
I understand you want to split the board. Left Organ, right some other selectable sounds.
I tried to make a setup of such a Studio Set and attached a screenshot. I followed your cookbook step 1-5.

In the GENERAL settings the Studio Set is in KEYBOARD MODE = STUDIOSET and not DUAL mode.

Now, when I go to PAD MODE and select KBD SW (pad 7), pad 1 is blinking. I can play the organ on part 1 left hand. By pressing pad 2 I can switch on the piano on part 2 for the right hand. Now pad 2 is blonking too.

Now I want the epiano right hand. I press pad 2 (to switch off piano) and then pad 3 to switch on the EP.
In this way one can layer sounds, switch on and off, by very quick strockes on the pads.

Can you try this, is this is a solution for your playing?
Cheers,
BennySeven


Edit: sorry guys, I have reduced the size of this monster picture..

[Miyagi]

Hey Benny,

Yes this workaround will do the trick. I've tried this option before, but then i didn't have the white marker on my lower part, and it didn't work as planned....But as long as i have the lower part selected as main sound it works, although i still believe in an ideal situation this should be done with just 1 step instead of 2. It would be nice to have the option to pre-select the keyrange of the parts independent from the kbd switch like in the Xa.....
As i was allready sure it couldn't be done.....it can..yes!!!
Thanks for your input and response!

Miyagi.

[bennyseven]

welcome, Myagi,
this was one major thing that all Fantom X user missed and made workarounds with RPS and sysex strings via the pads (live switching tutorial).
So from this point of view it is really an OS enhancement in the FA and it seems like Roland was hearing us those many years...

Cheers, let us know how it worked onstage,
BennySeven