Summer namm 2014

[Parsifal]

Parsifal

first of all I don't understand why you are using bad language, it is not acceptable, you need to respect others, you have no right to attack others just because they have different opinions.

I DO know that every thing is subjective, and I've repeatedly mentioned words (I think, I believe,....) so you should be able to understand that what ever I'm saying is my point of view which is based on my experience. nevertheless you may need to pay attention to what I wrote in the very end:

Finally I'd like to,say it does not matter what is the brand name on your keyboards when you are on stage performing or in a studio composing, what matters it does fulfill your needs.<br sab="759"><br sab="760">Best regards to all<br sab="761">Rami K

I don't prefer a brand over another, it's simply at this time I see KORG products meet my requirements.

Regards

You're wrong on so many levels.
First, I did not attack you, I said "if you say", "IF", got it? And "you're full of shit" is a colloquial expression meaning you're lying big time. So, I was saying that in case you (a generic you, meaning you + every other biased Korg fanboy trolling on fantomized forum) pretend that BK9 sounds worse than ANY Korg synth, including high-end arrangers and workstations (except maybe Kronos, which is a computer, not a synth) you're lying big time. Any problem with that? Cause I certainly have none. I rather think YOU're a little off line when you have 5 posts and you jump on a Roland board praising Korg out of the blue.


Second, what you said was not "your opinion" because what you said "imo", was just Korg > Roland all the time. Sorry, I need no such personal opinion, especially when it's obviously biased and one-sided. I played a Korg PA2X and PA50SD myself (owned the last one for a short while some time ago then sold it) and listened to PA3X. I have (maybe too many) friends using Korg arrangers. So I don't need your vague input about Korg stuff. Tell us your Roland experience first, then you can preach us Korg superiority.

Third, you went defensive rather quickly. Your "it's simply at this time I see KORG products meet my requirements" is lacking. WHY do they meet your requirements? What do Roland arrangers not have to fulfill your various requirements? Go on, spill the beans.

[RamiK]

Fair enough. As for my requirement, I play oriental(mainly Arabic, Armenian and little Turkish ) and occidental music. the issue is that it is very rare for manufacturers to provide sounds which can meet our needs, here I'm talking about so many types of instruments. Further, each of these instruments sounds little different form a region to another and behaves differently(examples, i can use Turkish strings to play modern Iraqi song but can't use them for Armenian, the test of the sound is different . many variation of flute-like wind instruments are used in Iraq, Syria, gulf region that is hardly to someone to tell they are similar in origin, etc....) , saying that if you check any korg custom made sound similar to the previously mentioned you'll find it's made from multiple layers each based on different User Sample, these are programed to behave in certain way(more or less similar to DNC sounds structure). the rhythms are also mainly based on User Samples, and finally the good User Scales Tunes utility, these are the power points which makes us lean toward korg. other brands do not give us flexibility to use 100% custom/user sounds. as for the quality the of made, oriental music is normally played as solos(with VERY fast fingering) and literally continuous use of modulation/pitch bend controller, korg keyboards proved they can withstand this type of use, and I'm not saying others can't.

I'm originally from Iraq and if you asked what professionals use there, i will say definitely korg, Yamaha is second (PSR-or700 and PSR a2000), never saw a professional uses Roland or Casio. However to be fair, part of the problem is that Roland and Casio do not give enough attention to this market, and other part is that there is very limited/no third party support for them since already most players use korg and Yamaha. any one can check YouTube and compare between the use of these brands in oriental music.

Best Regards
RamiK

[Parsifal]

Fair enough. As for my requirement, I play oriental(mainly Arabic, Armenian and little Turkish ) and occidental music. the issue is that it is very rare for manufacturers to provide sounds which can meet our needs, here I'm talking about so many types of instruments. Further, each of these instruments sounds little different form a region to another and behaves differently(examples, i can use Turkish strings to play modern Iraqi song but can't use them for Armenian, the test of the sound is different . many variation of flute-like wind instruments are used in Iraq, Syria, gulf region that is hardly to someone to tell they are similar in origin, etc....) , saying that if you check any korg custom made sound similar to the previously mentioned you'll find it's made from multiple layers each based on different User Sample, these are programed to behave in certain way(more or less similar to DNC sounds structure). the rhythms are also mainly based on User Samples, and finally the good User Scales Tunes utility, these are the power points which makes us lean toward korg. other brands do not give us flexibility to use 100% custom/user sounds. as for the quality the of made, oriental music is normally played as solos(with VERY fast fingering) and literally continuous use of modulation/pitch bend controller, korg keyboards proved they can withstand this type of use, and I'm not saying others can't.

I'm originally from Iraq and if you asked what professionals use there, i will say definitely korg, Yamaha is second (PSR-or700 and PSR a2000), never saw a professional uses Roland or Casio. However to be fair, part of the problem is that Roland and Casio do not give enough attention to this market, and other part is that there is very limited/no third party support for them since already most players use korg and Yamaha. any one can check YouTube and compare between the use of these brands in oriental music.

Best Regards
RamiK

Well, that explains everything :) If you look up at my first post on this matter, I said that, at this moment, Korg certainly has the most diverse offer of ethnic sounds - so there's a no brainer for someone who makes heavy use of ethnic sounds. (and I also mentioned the sampler bundled within some Korg arrangers and I also admit Roland and Yamaha propension towards presets and proprietary waveforms on their arrangers, which is not a bad thing per-se but it seems that the majority of high-end arranger users don't like it)
I came to the same conclusion myself - the professionals preferences are Korg, Yamaha, Roland (although their number is dwindling), never Casio. My opinion on this matter is that this is the "snowballing effect" - there are so many individuals using Korg that any prospective buyer (on the professional market) fears - in case he opts for a different brand - there will be no one available to "teach" him how to use it (and they never seem to like or use the online tutorials). I never quite understood why do they chicken (I never had this fear / problem) but since there's been a steady input of various new functions and options to be learnt and mastered, I guess they don't want to take it from scratch, not to mention that a lot of professionals are quite old and don't want to mess with even more stuff like computer knowledge and all.
Maybe a professional sees any time spent learning of technicalities as a detriment to his musical practise, don't know, I never saw things in that light.

[cminor]

GW, BK series are cheap plastic arrangers. Same old sounds and some good drums kits.
But no sampler. The sampler is "a must" for many arranger users.
Why?
Because they want to add instruments, voices, or other sounds (drums) recorded live or from other rare synths/keyboards.
But still the Korg is not on the first place.
Why?
Becase Tyros is much better.
The Tyros 5 has more then 2GB sampler and .... ...FLASH RAM.
So if you compare the PA3x with Tyros 5, Yamaha has more good technical specifications

[spottingjonah]

What happened to discussing Summer NAMM?

[miden]

What happened to discussing Summer NAMM?

This!

[FxProject]

Roland Will release some entry-level synth "new juno " with sound taken from supernatural and jv bank
To replace juno di/gi or a cheaper sound module =integra 3 /integra 5

Fx-project
http://www.mupiz/fxproject
http://www.Noomiz.com/FXproject

[FxProject]

New juno (supernatural+pcm)
New gw (supernatural+pcm)
New entry level module (supernatural+pcm)
New jupiter 30 (61keys supernatural+pcm)
All these are compatible with EXP (virtual srx) and integra sound bank from Axial

Fx-project
http://www.mupiz.com/fxproject

[miden]

I would like to see some sort of OS update for the FA series...not that I expect one so soon. There are good ideas suggested on this forum that could be implemented that would improve it a lot imo.

[PauloF]

Probably at the Summmer NAMM, the new full feature Integra-7 Windows and Mac Editors will see the light of day!

[FxProject]

I hope for à version 2 (with full feature) for the Ipad Apps

Fx-project

http://www.mupiz.com/fxproject

[FxProject]

And the Os version 2 of the integra with new sounds , new keyboards and new modules...
Fx-project
http://www.mupiz.com/fxproject

[Quinnx.]

Integra was an interesting release but with the lack of a full VST it kinda makes it a bit of a loner out there.
With all that potential and people using computers to compose and organise.

the FA is good compromise but they screwed up on the sampler and song save for patches
which makes it a no go and hassle to integrate in a useful workflow.
Musicians need to concentrate on making music not dealing with technology gaps.
being distracted by the technology like this kills productivity and can get you bogged down. (believe me i know dealing with it every day)
As long as there are gaps in the technology it will kill you..
we need to step back and make it simple and concentrate on making music
Im still feeling the G as center stage for production.