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Roland just released their new products that will be featured at NAMN on Roland Connect. It all looks a bunch of low end trinkets and Boss pedal products. A Total Bust! Go check it out@ Rolandconnect.com and see what I mean.

If this holds true, I'm pretty disappointed. If there's not a major Roland new keyboard/workstation released on Thursday, it's back to looking at the Kronos X as my next purchase. This new VR-09 low end performance keyboard isn't getting it done for me. I need a new Roland monster to team with this JP80.

Hopefully, Yamaha or Kurzweil will come thru with a new K-3000 or new Yamaha Workstation?

Yup, totally agree. Looking forward to see what Yamaha is going to release. Korg suprised with the KingKorg and MS20 Mini unit. I wonder if more is to come this year.

If you're not desperate for a workstation you might want to wait till Musicmesse...i think its in March. The Jupiter 80 was not released at a NAMM show it was one of the other minor music shows. Roland might need a bit more time to release something exceptional...well, if indeed they do decide to release another workstation that it.

V-technology and Supernatural technology, in my opinion, are superior to the others. If both these technologies were in the next workstation i'd throw my Kronos and its keybed in the rubbish bin.

Billy

Honestly, I think a Kronos and Jupiter-80 would make the ultimate tag team - at least as far as performance/workstation keyboards, for a few years to come. You could use a knobby VA or real analog poly/lead synth added in, but as far as sheer soundmaking power, this is the basis I'm aiming for myself, as have a few others here with either a Kronos or OASYS. With both keyboards, you get a wide variety of sounds, but from two synthmakers, which adds a dusting of different overall sound quality. And I really like playing with as many sound flavors in my audio kitchen as possible.

Is there really a great need for a Jupiter 80/workstation hybrid? I mean, if you define workstation as adding sequencing and sampling, I don't see any great need to build those things into a keyboard anymore. People don't usually need those things at live gigs, and in the studio, those functions would be out-done by computers.

I do understand the appeal of an enhanced Jupiter... more real-time controls, some mechanism by which you could load your own samples into it, and so on... but in terms of what has defined a "workstation," I'm not sure that's what so many people really need anymore.

I think that the pre-hype buzz for NAMM (acronym for National Association of Music Merchants) just went too far and exceeded everyone's expectations.

I saw no hint that Roland promised a new monster workstation of any kind, and yet here we are with much ballyhoo that there has been some big letdown. NAMM was only a bust if you were expecting something that was never promised.

+1 SG...having an OASYS (or, Kronos or MOTIF) + a Jupiter is just the duck's nuts, unless of course you can have two of each like Dany! Then, you are no longer on the earth plane and can just walk on sound waves~~~~~~~~~~~

I think that the pre-hype buzz for NAMM (acronym for National Association of Music Merchants) just went too far and exceeded everyone's expectations.

I think you're right.
I see this every NAMM/Messe on forums. High expectations on what to come and dissapointment because Yamaha didn't release a new CS80 or 'my synth didn't get a nice update which expands it's possibilities dramatically'.

Sure, I am not impressed by the Roland products, although I think is is descent stuff if you're looking for it, but
I bought a JP80 just a month ago, so on the moment it's pretty hard to impress me with whatever instrument (Korg did a very nice try with the MS20).

As for updates.
I would surely like to see a nice update for the Jupiter, with enhancements and new possibilities, but as it is now it is one of the finest instruments I have.

Besides, never buy an instrument for things it maybe can do in the future.
Buy an instrument for what it can do now.

Tom_1970 wrote: Besides, never buy an instrument for things it maybe can do in the future.
Buy an instrument for what it can do now.

That's about the most sensible and useful comment that I've read here for ages.

Marty,

Tom_1970 wrote: Besides, never buy an instrument for things it maybe can do in the future.
Buy an instrument for what it can do now.

The above comment is really self-evident, especially for an instrument like the Jupiter-80, which wasn't sold with the premise of beeing expandable, like e.g. the OASYS.

MartyM wrote:That's about the most sensible and useful comment that I've read here for ages.

If that was about the most sensible and useful comment that you've read here for ages, then I feel really sorry for you.

So everyone who really bought the Jupiter-80 because of possible OS updates, is just a very stupid person.

But why not ask for improvements, resp. OS updates on a forum, where there is a chance, that someone from Roland might read and even implement it?
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PS: "Namn 2013, a Bust?" No!

Dany wrote:

MartyM wrote:That's about the most sensible and useful comment that I've read here for ages.

If that was about the most sensible and useful comment that you've read here for ages, then I feel really sorry for you.

Thanks Dany, I have not had anyone feeling sorry for me for some time, glad that you care :-)

Perhaps it is "self evident" but I thought it was good general advice for anyone considering any
musical instrument purchase.

Dany wrote: So everyone who really bought the Jupiter-80 because of possible OS updates, is just a very stupid person.

No, I didn't say that and I have appreciated the V2 and Legacy updates greatly but that had nothing
whatsoever to do with me buying my JP80 in the first place, it was the sound/build/keyboard feel
that decided it for me after many weeks of consideration and comparison.

If however you buy something that you don't like much or has missing functions that you hope
might appear one day by some miracle OS update, then yes you would be a stupid person to
have spent all that money on "vapourware"

Marty.

MartyM wrote: Thanks Dany, I have not had anyone feeling sorry for me for some time, glad that you care :-)

My pleasure...

MartyM wrote:

Dany wrote: So everyone who really bought the Jupiter-80 because of possible OS updates, is just a very stupid person.

No, I didn't say that...

Of course, I know...

Probably, I wasn't clear enough: It is actually really my own opion, that everyone who really bought the Jupiter-80 because of possible OS updates, is just a very stupid person...


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Dany, I'm with you on that and a number of your other recent points.

I guess my "tone" was reflecting on some general forum "grumbles" and fanboy stuff that
bugs me, hence the "sensible and useful" comment.
It wasn't really all about this particular post.

IMHO there were some interesting releases at NAMM, not relative to the JP but after the
recent Legacy release, I wasn't expecting anything more that quickly.

Probably the only thing that I'm lusting after is an editor/librarian for it right now.
Cheers,
Marty.

MartyM wrote:Dany, I'm with you...

;)

I think, except for Roland's line of products ;) , this is a really 'hot' NAMM.
I really like the MS20 mini and I am impressed by the Prophet 12.
It seems that the Behringer X32 digital mixer come in more affordable versions.

Well I too am disappointed!! Boo Hoo... No Dang Editor? Musicmeese I guess is the next hopefull event!!
I just hope ROland hasnt given up on us! Thats the problem buying a new synth.. We all expect so much more even after buying it. Roland doesnt make much money giving us free sounds and updates.

I am not impressed with the MS20 as creating "Flying Saucer" sounds gets boring very quickly!! Also funny how Korg can reuse an old name(MS20) w/o the forum gang mentioning anything, but when Roland did it using the Jupiter name it was a big No No. Also after all the build problems Korg had with Kronos I would be concerned about keybeds etc.

Now the Prophet 12 looks really interesting!!
Ray