New Roland Jupiter Legacy Collection

[Frank Aufmoog]

Shame Roland are getting a bashing for spending time to give us free sounds - Korg charges for such things!

Yes but Korg did put out the legacy collection first as vst's and implementet them later into the Kronos. Roland stole the name to put out a sound collection that might lead potential customers to the wrong conclusion that the JU 80 has as well the real VA engine of the "proposed synth objects" build inside. This is just a faked marketing strategy that I dislike at all.

I don't need a free sound set but I need free updates on the OS. The soundset becomes useless once the next synth generation offers more realistic versions of them. But a great foundation of structure and flexibility will always make your synth valueable.

[anotherscott]

In all fairness, Korg has put out a good number of free sound libraries for a number of their keyboards as well...

[gfan80]

ya know, at least this isn't 198X. I know one of the guys who was the keyboard player for Michael Jackson. He said one of the problems he had as his gig was that he was spending time as both a programmer and a performer. In other words, in effort to achieve the sounds he wanted, he had to make them. He was very vocal to the synth companies that they should offer better sounds and technology to the users. 20+ years later, it's clear that we are not in that situation anymore. Instead, we are offered high quality sounds (stuff that actually sounds like a real piano for a change)and we can make our sounds own if we choose to.

Remember, the initial goal of a synthesizer was to make it "sound like" certain instruments. Some of the things drp said was right. If you want the specific sounds of an old Jupiter, DX, SH, go find them and play them. But don't go bashing the JP 80 just because you feel it isn't offering you the latest and greatest. This synth has a lot of potential. The offerings it provides are what you make of them. Don't turn this thread into a gearslutz-esque critism of Roland. If Roland has offered a Version two with additional features, then it's possible version three will provide more unexpected things. Who here expected a version two with added filters???

So I won't be getting rid of my D50 after all. That's ok - maybe some other time down the road!

[Dany]

In all fairness, Korg has put out a good number of free sound libraries for a number of their keyboards as well...

In fact, all additional OASYS sound libraries from Korg themselves were free, like the last huge HD-1 library they've offered, when they had to announce the end of the OASYS production and support...

The free offer from Roland is of course a nice addition for all of those JP-80 owners, who usually do not program their own sounds and prefer to use a good selection of factory sounds. But I think the main point and advantage of the JP-80 over the whole competition, is its extreme accessibility and programmability, begging the user to create his own unique and personal synth sounds...
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[cello]

In all fairness, Korg has put out a good number of free sound libraries for a number of their keyboards as well...

In fact, all additional OASYS sound libraries from Korg themselves were free, like the last huge HD-1 library they've offered, when they had to announce the end of the OASYS production and support...

I was talking about the Kronos - the libraries come at a price. Yes, the OASYS benefitted from free libraries but you also had to buy the extra engines to use some of them (all of such engines were included free in the Kronos). So a price for something was always in the mix.

But I think the main point and advantage of the JP-80 over the whole competition, is its extreme accessibility and programmability, begging the user to create his own unique and personal synth sounds...
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Totally agree!

[anotherscott]

Korg SV1, M50, M3, and others have had free downloadable enhancements to their sound libraries. Of course, the leader in that department is Nord. Of the majors, the lagger is probably Yamaha, though they have had some such updates as well.

[lekanout]

we hope some new engines,and it's a little delusion for what we hope.
But to be realistic it's a very good thing,and a good present from roland.
We have to be happy honestly,the jupiter is already a great synth without new engines.
The problem is th boring internal preset organisation in our Jupiter:
I'm curious to see how roland organize this new bank in the synth.

[drpopper]

And the venerable Dr Popper fuelled hope into our souls...

I think most of you will be pleasantly surprised.

[Rocness]

So it was an over hyped and misleading promotion strategy by Roland!!! How stupid, those marketing idiots from Roland think, we customers really are?


I demand more from Roland! If they won't deliver some major updates for the JP-80 in a foreseeable future, which are already included in the INTEGRA-7, then they can *** ** *** for ever !!!!
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This is a very reckless statement , you mislead yourself not Roland .

[Rocness]

whatever the Legacy project ends up being- (a VA, a new OS, or even just new tones) it is nothing but a bonus... even at a premium price.

I think this is the best attitude to have . To avoid disappointment , I don't think we should put high expectations on something that Roland never said would be just by viewing a teaser .
But maybe this is exactly what Roland wanted us to do.
I do enjoy all of the theories , thats fun so please continue but just know no matter what the New Roland Jupiter Legacy Collection is , it's all a bonus .

I suggest you read me and mattsuomi old post above 1st before posting .

[Rocness]

And we now have the answer... :)



A collection of finely engineered sounds is 'coming soon' - wouldn't surprise me if that meant coinciding with the Integra release next month.

Excellent support and commitment from Roland! I remember as a Korgie (of 30yrs) coming over to Roland for the first time I was told by some users 'great kit, expect no support'.

Well, the JP-80 support has been above and beyond - and I have no doubt we'll be seeing more support as time goes on...

Now - here's looking forward to those sounds :)

Cello Thanks , where did you find this ?
I think it's absolutely beautiful .
I would put that picture in a frame and put it on the wall !
Thanks Roland ! This is AWSOME !

[Dany]

So it was an over hyped and misleading promotion strategy by Roland!!! How stupid, those marketing idiots from Roland think, we customers really are?


I demand more from Roland! If they won't deliver some major updates for the JP-80 in a foreseeable future, which are already included in the INTEGRA-7, then they can *** ** *** for ever !!!!
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This is a very reckless statement , you mislead yourself not Roland .

So then Rocness, you really think Roland did reach the promised goal, which they have stated in the promotion video:

"The goal of this project [Jupiter Legacy Collection] is to preserve Roland's rich synthesis history."

If you really think that 110 new programed SN Synth Tones "preserve Roland's rich synthesis history" you may be lucky and satisfied with the style of the promotion video. I think Roland did exaggerate their statements in this promotion video and created false expectations. And I was of course not alone with those expectations, as it is well documented in this thread!

PS: And Rocness, why didn't you also quote my following statement, which I wrote in the very same post, that you have deliberately avoided to quote?

I wrote:"The new soundset is free! This is of course a good thing and nobody can complain about a gift."

Furthermore, I'd like to quote your complete post from page 3 of this thread, where you seemed to be quite thankful about my expectations:

But I might be proven completely wrong, as a naive victim of the useless words from some ROLAND marketing folks... :(
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Even if so , It was a good read anyhow , so nice to dream .
Thanks Dany .
I think AES is coming soon , so we should know a little more by then . I'm Just not sure when AES 2012 starts.

;)

[Rocness]

Don't get me wrong Dany ,
I would luv if what you hope for the JP-80 was true but I would not say the teaser was misleading . I would say it was cool. I just think you should give the new collection a chance 1st . You just might like what they do and it's free.

I have been very critical of Korg and the way they handle things but one thing I do know for sure is that , if Korg had announced a set like this for the Kronos it would be pages and pages of thanks and loyalty .

I mean let's actually look at what Roland is doing here and analyze the pic Cello put up .
I see that there also adding to the Arp .

[Dany]

Don't get me wrong Dany ,
I would luv if what you hope for the JP-80 was true but I would not say the teaser was misleading . I would say it was cool. I just think you should give the new collection a chance 1st . You just might like what they do and it's free.

I have been very critical of Korg and the way they handle things but one thing I do know for sure , is that , if Korg had announced a set like this for the Kronos it would be pages and pages of thanks and loyalty .

You are right Rocness, let's look at the bright side and enjoy this free Roland gift... And yes there might be some nice surprises amongst those new vintage Tones!

But I am still hoping for a major JP-80 OS update, containing the newly developed SuperNATURAL Acoustic Tones, resp. Intrument Models, which have been developed since the release of the JP-80 and are already included in the new INTEGRA-7 module...(see my thread: "New INTEGRA-7 SN-Acoustic Instrument Models for JP-80?" viewtopic.php?f=44&t=45618 )
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[mojkarma]

Shame Roland are getting a bashing for spending time to give us free sounds - Korg charges for such things!

I agree with you on the first part. Personally, it was clear for me that Roland creates a patch set and not a completely new OS which will mimic everything, from a moog up to a d-50. People simply have to high expectations sometimes. You get what you paid for. After that you can hope for some OS adjustments but certainly not that somebody will turn night into day for nothing. The price for the jp80 doesn't include new features with new, future updates. So, a new soundset is perfectly ok with me.

However, your second part is really unnecessary. (Aren't we more than tired of this constant JP80 vs. Kronos comparison?).
The truth is simply that Korg doesn't charge for such things. It's quite the opposite. You were a M3 owner and you know very well that we get new free soundsets in less than a year.
What Korg charges for are new sounds based on new samples. Roland does/did the same. The difference is that Korg sells those expansions as software and Roland as hardware (SRX cards). Kurzweil does the same and Yamaha is particularly known for a big support of third party sound/sample support and all those sounds are paid.