New Roland Jupiter Legacy Collection

[JuneauUnderground]

I'm biased ... being the proud owner of a few working versions of FM nirvana as you kindly put it. I tend to use a DX7IIFD as my main FM board.

Yeah baby, now your talking. Old school FM all the way!!

[Frank Aufmoog]

FM is great, but it will not be part of the Legacy Collection, so open another thread for it and discuss it. Any news on the "Legacy Collection" and what's it gonna be? Would be facinating if they will come up with a realistic emulation of the D-50 which was a megaseller too.

[kokocalamar]

Would be facinating if they will come up with a realistic emulation of the D-50 which was a megaseller too.

Roland did a great job emulating the D-50 in the V-Synth XT, so obviously the know how is there!

[Dany]

Would be facinating if they will come up with a realistic emulation of the D-50 which was a megaseller too.

Roland did a great job emulating the D-50 in the V-Synth XT, so obviously the know how is there!

If the Jupiter Legacy Collection isn't just a set of new Registrations, Livesets and Tones and if we aassume, that Roland will implement new Oscillator, Filter and Envelope models, then, according to drpopper's comment:

"I believe the reality will be somewhere in between, quite clearly there will be new control screens for the differing parameters of each vintage instrument",

the question arises, if the parameters of e.g. a new Jupiter-8 model would include such important JP-8 features like Pulse Width Modulation via Envelope or Cross Modulation, because those features are missing on the current JP-80 VA synth engine.
Another example would be the Juno-60's unique chorus, which is a fundamental aspect of the Juno-60's sound character. Would Roland include a model of this chorus effect with a new Juno-60 model for the JP-80?

I really doubt we will see such features, if we indeed get new Osc, Filter and Env models and I am afraid we would be limited by the current given structure of the JP-80's VA synth engine, which would only allow the emulation of a certain sound segment of e.g. the original JP-8's sound spectrum, excluding all original JP-8 sounds using PWM with Envelope or Cross Modulation...

But as a lot of the Roland vintage digital synth waveforms (like almost all original D-50 PCM waves) are already on board of the JP-80, already allowing very accurate emulations of e.g. original D-50 sounds (I have a D-50 next to a JP-80 and achieved some stunning emulations by myself), I am more and more convinced, that the Legacy Collection is indeed just a collection of new Tones, Livesets and Registrations, which will reproduce some original Roland vintage sounds with almost 100% accuracy.

I hope I am wrong!

[gfan80]

FM is great, but it will not be part of the Legacy Collection, so open another thread for it and discuss it.

Wait a minute Frank, are you an admin? If not, I am afraid you can't just tell me that I should open a thread for exclusive FM discussion just for your liking. And not only that, you missed the whole point on why I brought it up in the beginning.

[drpopper]

I'm biased ... being the proud owner of a few working versions of FM nirvana as you kindly put it. I tend to use a DX7IIFD as my main FM board.

Yeah baby, now your talking. Old school FM all the way!!

You know there are FM purists that loath the DX11 because it's 16 bit .... I had one certain KB player from a well known band of Glaswegians try and tell me how much better his DX7 was ...etc etc
So I suggested maybe he might like to use my DX1 instead. That shut him up ....

[drpopper]

if the parameters of e.g. a new Jupiter-8 model would include such important JP-8 features like Pulse Width Modulation via Envelope or Cross Modulation, because those features are missing on the current JP-80 VA synth engine.

They can model the Chorus effect from the Juno 60 easily enough ... theoretically they could model the JP-8's features too. Whether or not it's economical to do this for the JP-8 in modelling or by application of other methods that are extensions of the current OS enviroment I could not speculate.

[Dany]

if the parameters of e.g. a new Jupiter-8 model would include such important JP-8 features like Pulse Width Modulation via Envelope or Cross Modulation, because those features are missing on the current JP-80 VA synth engine.

They can model the Chorus effect from the Juno 60 easily enough ... theoretically they could model the JP-8's features too. Whether or not it's economical to do this for the JP-8 in modelling or by application of other methods that are extensions of the current OS enviroment I could not speculate.

In either of the two cases, Roland would have to implement those new synth models or extensions of the current OS environment with a new OS, the Jupiter-80 Version3. But so far, Roland didn't mention with any word, that we have to expect a JP-80 Version3.
And if the statements are correct, that the Jupiter Legacy collection will also be available for the JP-50 and the Integra7, my doubts get even stronger, that this collection will be more, than just a new sound set for the current JP-80, JP-50 and Integra7 VA engines...

Again, I hope I am totally wrong...

[kokocalamar]

Again, I hope I am totally wrong...

Me too! ;-)

[JuneauUnderground]

So I suggested maybe he might like to use my DX1 instead. That shut him up ....

I'll bet it did!! (drooling here!)

[Frank Aufmoog]

If it's just a soundset why should they make such an trailer- and if it's really possible to recreate the sounds 1:1 with the given VA engine what to wait for? Do it yourself if you need these sounds...whenever I bought or got a soundlibary with a used synth at least 80% was useless to me. Get a rompler or buy an entertainer keyboard with 1000 preset sounds and all GM standards.
If Korg implements some of his legacy synths into the Kronos and Roland now comes up with a soundbank of their choosen "best of" sounds that would be to me rediculous- at least I wouldn´t hang it that high. This might be interesting for cover bands to have Howard Jones and Nena's preset 80ies sounds but it won't help the JU80 or musicians that really work with it as artists.

[Leh173]

The day Roland put a DX7 compatible FM synth into one of their machines will be the day hell freezes over. It'll never happen. It was never Rolands thing. If you want FM get a DX based series one. The FM8 IS close but my original DX7 is still better. LOL :-).

I REALLY hope Roland have made virtual versions of their classics (juno 106, D50 Jupiter 8 etc) to go into the JP80/Integra etc. That will change things for me big time.

[gfan80]

The day Roland put a DX7 compatible FM synth into one of their machines will be the day hell freezes over. It'll never happen. It was never Rolands thing. If you want FM get a DX based series one. The FM8 IS close but my original DX7 is still better. LOL :-).

I REALLY hope Roland have made virtual versions of their classics (juno 106, D50 Jupiter 8 etc) to go into the JP80/Integra etc. That will change things for me big time.

I think it is interesting to point out that nearly all of the major synth makers had FM synths with exception to Roland (Casio had their phase modulation synths that acted like FM). I guess the only compromise we'll ever get with Roland is those built in FM sound samples. Still, it would be nice just to have a FM engine so I can say goodbye to the DX7. I know I will say goodbye to my D50 if the Jupiter 80 will contain an emulation of it.

[Méka]

If it is a sound bank then it will be hacked very quickly and it will not be commercially viable. By cons if the Roland Jupiter Legacy Collection is new sound engines then there may be a method of protection / authorization for each Jupiter-80 has a unique identifier.
It's seems to me more logical !

[JuneauUnderground]

The day Roland put a DX7 compatible FM synth into one of their machines will be the day hell freezes over. It'll never happen. It was never Rolands thing. If you want FM get a DX based series one. The FM8 IS close but my original DX7 is still better. LOL :-).

+1 on the original DX7. 12 bit rocks!