It arrives this morning...!!!

[cello]

Just my opinion but what the JP-80 does is sheer brilliance! I don't need to compare it to other keyboards.

The instrument is a joy to use, it produces exquisite sounds and is exactly what I was looking for in a modern synth.

I didn't buy to emulate any instrument - I bought it on what it can do itself in generating unique sounds I love hearing and using creatively. The fact it has so e amazing emulations is icing in the ace for me.

[RayS]

Just my opinion but what the JP-80 does is sheer brilliance! I don't need to compare it to other keyboards.

The instrument is a joy to use, it produces exquisite sounds and is exactly what I was looking for in a modern synth.

I didn't buy to emulate any instrument - I bought it on what it can do itself in generating unique sounds I love hearing and using creatively. The fact it has so e amazing emulations is icing in the ace for me.

Yeah Cello, but we want you compare it to the Kronos and its sounds?? Ha ha .....LOL

[Devnor]

this forum sees very little traffic these days but it seems when it does people would rather move the topics towards Korg or the Kronos!and it ends up with a flame war over owners of the product

The road to hell is paved with good intentions. There was a time when users...well back there we were all prospective buyers - folks tried to discuss the finer points of the Jupiter but the theads were always bombed by trolls. Nothing has really changed but facts are most people don't want to participate in threads where folks say nothing but great & glorious things about Jupiter.

Forum is a little to blame....our topics are quite narrow. Any discussion other than Jupiter gets dumped in the freezone so there is no system wide discussion...what other parts & pieces in your studio and/or live rig? If I want to discuss the Moog voyager with my Jupiter friends (I probably value those opinions more than anyone else) that is against the rules. Thread squashed...end of discussion. If I bring up the Jupiter on the moog forum, my thread gets bombed there. Try to have an intelligent discussion about these things on HC or KC and you might as well be pissing in the wind.

Primarily I just need the Jupiter to function as advertised. The forum is basically a troubleshooting tool but I've never needed. "It just works". Right now I'm concentrating on musical concepts and not synth parameters.

[keyplayer14]

Just my opinion but what the JP-80 does is sheer brilliance! I don't need to compare it to other keyboards.

The instrument is a joy to use, it produces exquisite sounds and is exactly what I was looking for in a modern synth.

I didn't buy to emulate any instrument - I bought it on what it can do itself in generating unique sounds I love hearing and using creatively. The fact it has so e amazing emulations is icing in the ace for me.

Yeah Cello, but we want you compare it to the Kronos and its sounds?? Ha ha .....LOL

Ray, seriously just STFU. When anybody looks at all the threads you've trolled this bs in it's not hard to see why this forum is pretty much dead. We all get your opinion on the K, but it's not what the thread was about.
Go play somewhere else.

[MC808ter]

@Devnor

I'm not asking for the threads to have no other content than praise for the Jupiter or simply only mentioning that Synth its inevitable that synth forums are always going to drift around other machines or brands from time to time,There is nothing wrong with that,and there's nothing wrong with some people having a negative opinion on the Jupiter,After all,I read these good and bad points and took them on board for my own situation before buying a Jupiter 80,positive and negative discussions are healthy as you see the pros and cons of the machine. I don't expect everyone to Kiss Rolands arse,but does every discussion that ends up with negatives have to involve the Problems or comparisons about the Kronos.

[RayS]

Just my opinion but what the JP-80 does is sheer brilliance! I don't need to compare it to other keyboards.

The instrument is a joy to use, it produces exquisite sounds and is exactly what I was looking for in a modern synth.

I didn't buy to emulate any instrument - I bought it on what it can do itself in generating unique sounds I love hearing and using creatively. The fact it has so e amazing emulations is icing in the ace for me.

Yeah Cello, but we want you compare it to the Kronos and its sounds?? Ha ha .....LOL

Ray, seriously just STFU. When anybody looks at all the threads you've trolled this bs in it's not hard to see why this forum is pretty much dead. We all get your opinion on the K, but it's not what the thread was about.
Go play somewhere else.

Your 4th post, of which every one of your post contain Kronos,, and tell me to STFU? Your definitely a troublemaker..like your buddy Mojokarma! It was a Pun..a joke..DumbA** !! And WTF have you contributed here besides being disrespectful?

[ozy]

Hey people... yes, YOU!

will you please just GO AWAY, ALL of you, and let Devnor and Rays talk to each other?

(Rays and Devnor, will you two please get a room, btw?)

[keyplayer14]

Your 4th post, of which every one of your post contain Kronos,, and tell me to STFU? Your definitely a troublemaker..like your buddy Mojokarma! It was a Pun..a joke..DumbA** !! And WTF have you contributed here besides being disrespectful?

Yep, 4th post in a thread where I mentioned I was getting a Jupiter - you're the one who filled it with crap about the K even though I said I wasn't here to talk about that and tried to steer it back on topic. All of this is in the thread for people to judge - but it seems that reading comprehension isn't your strongest point.

Having a big post count is no guarantee that you're contributing anything worthwhile btw - and you may well find that once I'm not having to respond to your BS I have plenty to contribute.

[RayS]

Yep, 4th post in a thread where I mentioned I was getting a Jupiter - you're the one who filled it with crap about the K even though I said I wasn't here to talk about that and tried to steer it back on topic. All of this is in the thread for people to judge - but it seems that reading comprehension isn't your strongest point.

Having a big post count is no guarantee that you're contributing anything worthwhile btw - and you may well find that once I'm not having to respond to your BS I have plenty to contribute.

"Crap" was first started by MOJKARMA with his foul mouth and book long comment...of which you followed up with " SHEESH.... and ..trash talking nonsense" ... and then STFU. The floor is yours and Mojkarmas so you can discuss how great the K is for both of you!!

Contribute what? How could I forget reading all your stupidass Korgforum comments like I posted below praising the Kronos over the JP80 ...You are definitely incoherent to the plus features of the JP80 anyway, so I wont argue with you anymore!! YOU WIN!!

"No complaints with my keybed, fan noise is a complete non - issue, data wheel has stayed where it's supposed to. In fact, I'd assess the overall build quality as pretty solid"... "I barely notice any fan noise, my laptop runs MUCH noisier than my Kronos"...."I don't even notice the time it takes the K to boot - it's always ready before I am"..."Having said that, my K is gigged constantly, and stability wise it's been rock solid. I've yet to experience a lock up or crash of any kind, before or after the OS upgrade"

AND Now you tell us you have had your Keybed replaced..and the problems sorted out? Thats wonderful??

OZY, excuse me, I meant SOPWITH CAMEL.. not Luftwaffe.. so STFU..SYISL..MTGBWY..

[ozy]

I meant SOPWITH CAMEL.. not Luftwaffe..

whatever it was, it sounds like you haven't shot him down after all.

Your dogfight with "trolls" goes on, to everybody's amusement.

[keyplayer14]

Yep, 4th post in a thread where I mentioned I was getting a Jupiter - you're the one who filled it with crap about the K even though I said I wasn't here to talk about that and tried to steer it back on topic. All of this is in the thread for people to judge - but it seems that reading comprehension isn't your strongest point.

Having a big post count is no guarantee that you're contributing anything worthwhile btw - and you may well find that once I'm not having to respond to your BS I have plenty to contribute.

"Crap" was first started by MOJKARMA with his foul mouth and book long comment...of which you followed up with " SHEESH.... and ..trash talking nonsense" ... and then STFU. The floor is yours and Mojkarmas so you can discuss how great the K is for both of you!!

Contribute what? How could I forget reading all your stupidass Korgforum comments like I posted below praising the Kronos over the JP80 ...You are definitely incoherent to the plus features of the JP80 anyway, so I wont argue with you anymore!! YOU WIN!!



"No complaints with my keybed, fan noise is a complete non - issue, data wheel has stayed where it's supposed to. In fact, I'd assess the overall build quality as pretty solid"... "I barely notice any fan noise, my laptop runs MUCH noisier than my Kronos"...."I don't even notice the time it takes the K to boot - it's always ready before I am"..."Having said that, my K is gigged constantly, and stability wise it's been rock solid. I've yet to experience a lock up or crash of any kind, before or after the OS upgrade"

AND Now you tell us you have had your Keybed replaced..and the problems sorted out? Thats wonderful??

OZY, excuse me, I meant SOPWITH CAMEL.. not Luftwaffe.. so STFU..SYISL..MTGBWY..

Yeah, you see Ray the point about the Kronos comments you've been away and looked up is that they were posted on KORGFORUMS! NOT HERE! And while it's true that I did develop a keybed issue I'd be quite happy to stand by anything else that you've quoted, although I'm not going to do it here. It's the only problem I had, and I only mentioned it in this thread whilst trying to get back on topic - which is the bit you don't seem capable of comprehending. Also, you've very neatly skipped any of the threads in which I've been critical, which of course is no surprise, but wouldn't be any more relevant here that the stuff you picked - BECAUSE I DIDN'T MAKE THEM IN A ROLAND FORUM!
Now it should be apparent, even to you, that I like the Jp-80 - because I just bought one. Quite what you meant about being "incoherent" (?) to it's plus features I don't know - since you've spent the whole thread discussing the Kronos, we've not really had chance to talk about them have we? Care to list all the features I don't understand? (I'm assuming that's what you meant ). Oh wait, I didn't mention any...

[keyplayer14]

Oh and one further point Ray....I've never made any comments on KORGFORUMS or anywhere else "praising the Kronos over the Jp-80".....All the quotes you found were specific to the K and made no comparisons to the Jp-80 or any other synth.
If you're going to go to the trouble of all this research at least try to be accurate. We don't want people to think you just make this stuff up for the sake of it, do we..........

[lekanout]

come on guys...
We have to make this forum alive and pleasant.
No problem to prefer one or the other..

Let's make this jupiter 80 forum cool,to share some good point of view..usables for everybody.

The jupiter 80 isn't as known as we can expect.So sharing in peace will make interest for external people to come and discover it!

[ozy]

yesterday I received my new moog. little feisty box.

There's something soothing and comforting in looking at Kronos-haters and Jupiter-snubbers throwing poo at each other while I sit sipping hot coffee and I think tonoght I'll jamm on a new toy whose qualities speak for themselves, with no need for validation from a community.

[fourth such toy I could afford in a few months by carefully avoiding NAMM hype and GAS, btw]

Like Lucretius wrote, "Tis pleasant, safely to behold from shore/ The rolling ship, and hear the tempest roar."

[mojkarma]

Well, it's so funny to post here and have a chitchat with those religious fanboys! :)))
When I complained about some aspects regarding the jp80 before, my arguments were questioned "because I don't own the jp80". Then, when you own it, it becomes even worse. Now you are suddenly guilty for buying a keyboard while you have to complain about some things on it.

Regarding aftertouch:
Aftertouch is hardwired to volume and filter. Devnor, you either understand that or you are to dumb to see and understand how the tool works that you own. Unfortunately, it's the later. There is no point in being polite here while two or three idiots ruined this forum with their childish love-Roland-hate-Korg bullshit.
You guys have to use the keyboard to understand how it works. So, I won't explain to you why Cellos advice doesn't work. You can't use aftertouch to control anything else besides volume and filter cutoff on the so called supernatural synthengine where you actually have a lot of acoustic instrument pcm waveforms. Do you get that?

The JP80 is one of the most limited keyboards on the market when it comes to realtime control possibilities. Not only do you lack physical hardware controllers, you are also extremely limited to what they can do or control. I'm not saying this because I hate the jp80 but because it's a fact. It's not only the lack of hardware controllers, it's the way how they are implemented. And that is a complete mess.
I won't go thru the whole list, I'll just say that for the beginning, you are unable to control half of the available parts! By saying that I mean the percussion and solo part.
Imagine, you put a lead sound into the solo part, and you can't program the jp80 to control the filter cutoff with the rotary knob!
The rotary knob is the only physical controller which is not spring-loaded. So it doesn't jump back to its initial position. And it's not available to the perc/solo part.
You can't save the on/off status of the s1 and s2 knobs within the registration.
The tone blend function is limited to very few parameters and again, exclusively just to two parts.
Am I the only one who had the idea to control a variation and volume of a supernatural acoustic tone with the same controller? Imagine to introduce tremolo and crescendo with the modulation stick! Not possible on the jp80. Not a problem for you guys in the studio, but on stage it makes a difference whether you try to operate one or two/three controllers at the same time.
Has anyone here tried to control some effect parameters with those rotary knobs? Again, those are the only one which are not spring loaded. The sliders would be the other, but they are hardwired to volume.

And now, why do some people here have a problem when I mention this? Does it matter whether I own the keyboard or I just borrowed it from a musicstore to try it out extensively? Two or three guys here are writing the same false shit about the Kronos but they get completely mad when you mention disadvantages of the jp80 which are so obvious and everybody can check them out.

Why is it acceptable to you that you CAN'T edit a supernatural synth tone when it's a part of the percussion or solo part? When I prepare my registrations for my gigs, I put the desired livesets in the lower and upper slot, then I put a lead sound into the solo slot, I want to edit a parameter on it, but I can't besides those few offsets! Why is that normal to you? I want to change something on the LFO but I can't because the tone is not editable as part of the solo/perc part. WTF?!

I have tried to use those buttons under the keyboard live. They are completely unusable. That's a crazy and completely unnecessary experiment from Roland. It shows clearly that those engineers at Roland don't perform live on stage. When you play on the keyboard, you don't see the buttons because they are covered by your hand. That's my experience. There is not one single advance in that way of selecting a registration. It prevents you even to use some keyboard stands with angled arms.
So I use my iPad and select the registrations with a set list program which can send program change data.
Now, where the hell is the information about how the jp80 registration structure corresponds to program change???
Registration set 5, Bank C, Slot 7.
What is the corresponding bank/program change number?
Where is the information? You pay 3500 bucks for that keyboard and get a 80 pages manual with the information how to put the keyboard on a stand but not with this essential information if you want to control it by an external device.

BTW, do you guys know that you must not disconnect the usb stick while the keyboard is on!?! How many keyboard do you know where you must not pull out the usb stick while the keyboard is on? How many keyboards are there on the market which don't allow for hot swapping?

When you make a backup, you can't load single registrations from the backup. But when you save a couple of registrations as a file, you are able to do so. That's a new feature for the 1.1 OS update. Now, why didn't Roland put a "select all registrations" option into that function? Do I really have to check every single registration from 1 to 256 to save all of them as a file on the usb stick? Will Roland ever create a file system that makes sense and that is user oriented?

Roland has released the 2.0 OS. Did they say which registrations or tones/livesets, whatever they have changed? Is there a list anywhere?
Now they have released an ipad editor for the supernatural synth engine! What is it good for? I don't get it. I have both, the jp80 and the ipad and the editor. Why is it limited just to editing the SN synth engine??? What about the rest? What about those who don't have an ipad? Why not a computer editor for everybody? They give you Sonar which is limited just to the Windows OS and now they give you an editor which on the other side is limited just to ipad owners.

Verdict
I highly advice those few kids here to stop trolling about the Kronos and its built quality. It doesn't make the jp80 a better keyboard in any way. You are just happy to be a basic user and therefor you don't step into some of the aforementioned problems because you don't really use the keyboard extensively. Yes, you play it, but you don't program it, you don't gig with it. You sit in front of it at home, you play thru the factory sounds and you wait for some new soundbanks. That's all you do. It's to late for this forum to become a pleasant place where users could help each other, complain, ask, exchange their experience and all that just because two or three idiots can't write one single word without mentioning that keyboard from those japanese company with four letters.
So, RayS, keep on asking everybody about the built quality and you Devnor keep on asking those stupid questions why would anybody need more than 64 or 128 user registrations or why do I need 4000 of them. It's hard to discuss with people who are to dumb to think with their own brain. If there are 2500 user rewritable live set locations, I personally think it's legit to ask why there are just 256 registrations.