What Can I do to Make the Organ Sound like an Organ?

[Rocness]

so welcome to RC L8RDOOD; hope you're successful in your quest!

Cello's right WELCOME !

[Grammar Wombat]

Urban dictionary : Trolling is trying to get a rise out of someone. Forcing them to respond to you, either through wise-crackery, posting incorrect information, asking blatantly stupid questions, or other foolishness…

Please define "other foolishness."

[brane]

Common, guys... Any serious Tips for good B3 simulation (a la Santana, Allman Brothers, ELP...) with JP80 v2.0 FX? Overdrive + X + Y + Leslie settings?

[ozy]

To ROCNESS...I'm sorry but did you invent the J80? Or were you part of the research team that came up with it? Or did you personally help finance the project?

yes,

yes,

and yes.

So, you really pissed off the wrong guy.

[b3keys]

While I don't own a JP-80 yet, the leslie seems a bit fast in some of the demos I've heard. I would recommend adjusting the leslie simulation - slow the rotor speeds down to make it more authentic. Also, using a dedicated simulation effect box such as a Boss RT-20 or Neo Ventilator make help.

[PauloF]

While I don't own a JP-80 yet, the leslie seems a bit fast in some of the demos I've heard. I would recommend adjusting the leslie simulation - slow the rotor speeds down to make it more authentic. Also, using a dedicated simulation effect box such as a Boss RT-20 or Neo Ventilator make help.

That's exactly what I said in my previous post... The JP-80 with a RT-20 Rocks!!!

[jabberwocky]

So basicly , with this overpriced jp80 you still need external stuff to have a good b3 simulation, ... mmm.

L8RDOOD , don't care about people saying it sounds like trolling (they don't realise they do harm to roland even further) because it is defenitely not. I think it's great customer info for persons not able to test this jupiter in the stores. So, well informed people will think more then twice before getting this jupiter and Roland will end up with only happy customers (or none, but that was their choice)

Anyhow, i already wondered why there are so less b3 demo's of the jup80. Perhaps it is not what it is designed for ? ... although it has this touch drawbar thing :-)

[PauloF]

So basicly , with this overpriced jp80 you still need external stuff to have a good b3 simulation, ... mmm.

L8RDOOD , don't care about people saying it sounds like trolling (they don't realise they do harm to roland even further) because it is defenitely not. I think it's great customer info for persons not able to test this jupiter in the stores. So, well informed people will think more then twice before getting this jupiter and Roland will end up with only happy customers (or none, but that was their choice)

Anyhow, i already wondered why there are so less b3 demo's of the jup80. Perhaps it is not what it is designed for ? ... although it has this touch drawbar thing :-)

This is very subjective stuff as this depends on what people is looking for.
As They definetely have the knowledge (just see the VK or VR series), IMHO Roland could have done it better on the JP-80/50.
Anyway, again all depends on what we are looking for when buying a board like this, where, again IMHO, this opens new frontiers in sound and expressiveness, not exactly being the board for the so called "bread and butter" sounds.

Just my opinion...

[trommis]

Those who claim that the only thing sounding more like a Hammond than the JP80, is a Hammond B3, must be joking. I have a Hammond C3 (same as B3/A100) hooked up to a Leslie 122. I also have the JP80, the Korg OASYS and the Kurzweil PC3 (among other synthesizers). No synth/workstation will ever come close to the original tonewheel Hammond/Leslie combo, and certanly not the JP80. The best emulation in my opinion:

#1: Nord Electro
#2: Kurzweil PC3
#3: Korg OASYS

The JP80 does many things good, but (out of the box) organs is NOT one of them.

[Devnor]

Those who claim that the only thing sounding more like a Hammond than the JP80, is a Hammond B3, must be joking.

Wrong. Nobody here is making that claim. None of the Jupiter owners have said anything good about Jupiter organ except adding the vent helps (as it does with everything). Since I have an XK3c the last thing I want from the Jupiter is clonewheel sounds. What I find so unusual is when I see the Jupiter I think big synthesizer...other folks seem fixated on electromechanical tones - completely ignoring everything the Jupiter does so well. At the end of the day it boils down to applying yourself or simply dismissing.

[ozy]

when I see the Jupiter I think big synthesizer...other folks seem fixated on xxx - completely ignoring everything the Jupiter does so well.

oh! you finally got around the concept!

The Jp80 is a excellent at synth sounds (expecially poly, lush, synth sounds), but people devoted to specific emulations find it wanting, and inferior to other, differently oriented, instruments. Be it acoustics (my case, and I got lynched), tonewheels (the present case), or whatever.

Up to this point you have dismissed any objections by going ballistic and snaring at imaginary "trolls".

Now I ssee that you finally get that the jp80 is not "everything": it is a specifc instrument with a specifc voice, good at some things and not at others. And calling it this way is in no way an aggression.

phew... that took you some time...

This shows that the "troll" accusation should be used very very very carefully...

[L8RDOOD]

After my last post, I've been standing in the back watching what other "experienced" users have to say. I've learned my lesson from all this....TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!!(No duh....I know). With that, I am saying bye-bye to it & keeping the V-Synth GT as my only Roland keyboard.
As 'jabberwocky' stated: "So basicly , with this overpriced jp80 you still need external stuff to have a good b3 simulation, ... mmm."
You think $3500 should have covered that. But since it didn't, Mr. Jupiter 80....ebay...Here I Come!

[Rocness]

After my last post, I've been standing in the back watching what other "experienced" users have to say. I've learned my lesson from all this....TRY BEFORE YOU BUY!!(No duh....I know). With that, I am saying bye-bye to it & keeping the V-Synth GT as my only Roland keyboard.
As 'jabberwocky' stated: "So basicly , with this overpriced jp80 you still need external stuff to have a good b3 simulation, ... mmm."
You think $3500 should have covered that. But since it didn't, Mr. Jupiter 80....ebay...Here I Come!

Well, at least you learned what a troll is while you where here
because that's exactly what your doing now by starting with a insult to the JP-80 and leaving with a insult statement . A classic troll move .

You can always go back to the Kronos forum and wait for another problem to pop up .
No lie the Kronos has a new problem every weak .
Kronos problem of the week "Random Restarts and shut downs during live performance " : Solution buy a UPS for your $3500 new synth .

[doctorrock]

actually mate, there's f*** all you can do to get anything remotely approaching a decent hammond sound on the jupiter 80. don't even try. i've wasted days doing so and refuse to go there again! it's almost embarrassing how awful the leslie sim is on this - especially when compared to it's immediate rivals, particularly the nord stage/electro. i only bring this up because to my mind the whole raison d'etre of the jupiter 80 are it's supposedly ultra-realistic simulations - be they of acoustic or electronic instruments, which for the most part they do fairly well...

[Devnor]

See, here's where some of guys are wrong. Roland didnt talk much about the TW organ. Its there but that was about the end of it. They spent all their time demoing SN acoustic instruments, piano and synth stuff. Not much focus at all on electric pianos or TW organ. There was a reason for that. Scott Tibbs didnt pull off Jon Lord recreations when he played it...neither did Ed Diaz or the other international reps. They might breeze over it but that was the extent of things.

So return your Jupiter, give it away - whatever pleases you. Should another software upgrade come along with a fantastic implementation of a clonewheel, then congrats on losing money and eating crow. Eventually Roland will need to get this one right. The founder of Roland loved organs but maybe they wanted to get the synth engine right. Well here it is. Hopefully the 2 will converge.