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Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
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Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
French canadain complicitcy? WTF are you talking about, do you think we are all french canadian? I havn't met a french canadian in my life and I am born and raised in canada.
The only french I've every seen is in early grade school (grade 3-9 )school.
I am a Polisci major in university, Canada has had some involvement in international affairs, but is hardly on the level of "fucking" other countries that the US is.
Canada didn't support death squads in Nicaragua
Canada didn't kill close to a million in Vietnam
Canada didn't kill 130, 000 Iraqis
ect..........
The only french I've every seen is in early grade school (grade 3-9 )school.
I am a Polisci major in university, Canada has had some involvement in international affairs, but is hardly on the level of "fucking" other countries that the US is.
Canada didn't support death squads in Nicaragua
Canada didn't kill close to a million in Vietnam
Canada didn't kill 130, 000 Iraqis
ect..........
Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
I, too, am from Canada - Ontario, to be exact. I HAVE met many Fr-Cdns and, for the most part, they are great. Yes, there are some a-holes, but, then, the same can be said about any ethnic group, including us Eng-Cdns. It's the politicians in the news (and the media, too) who give many the wrong impression of the Fr-Cdns. I have high school French and I think that was a gift in the final year so that I wouldn't come back - lol. Second languages are NOT my forte (except when I hit my thumb with a hammer and use a different kind of "French") - lol.
No, we (Canadians) haven't committed anything to the scale of the USA, but we're also about the tenth the size. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we (government, spy agency - CSIS, federal police - RCMP) have done a tenth of what the Americans have done. Besides, I think the government is too busy screwing us citizens. I try not to point a finger because, if I do, there are 3 pointing right back at me.
No, we (Canadians) haven't committed anything to the scale of the USA, but we're also about the tenth the size. I wouldn't be surprised at all if we (government, spy agency - CSIS, federal police - RCMP) have done a tenth of what the Americans have done. Besides, I think the government is too busy screwing us citizens. I try not to point a finger because, if I do, there are 3 pointing right back at me.
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William Coakley
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Gentlemen
The right or wrong of our current security problem needs to be addressed in its proper context. That means we have to go back eighty years where the first act of terrorism forced the middle east into chaos.
There's a site with a new book about to be released
middleeastcrisis.org
There's a site with a new book about to be released
middleeastcrisis.org
Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
Ever hear of French Canadian complicity in Algeria, Congo, Benin, Chad, and so on for almost a hundred years? That damns France in the same breath in case you aren't paying attention.
You mean like some independent Quebecios master plan to dominate French Africa..... Give me a break. Our foreign policy is directed from our national government, not provincial. Maybe you should go back to school and learn something about Canada.
Of course, Canada was also complicit in British colonial interests in Botswana, Egypt, Gambia, etc., (and let's not forget India) having the strange position of supporting to two biggest colonial thugs on the planet at the same time!
Oh we had so much domineering power over these countries/colonies. What a pile of bullshit. Canada fucking other countries? Even if by being "complicit"??? Wow! The whole world knows about this one, and how evil we are, eh? What a joke. You know nothing factual of Canadian history.
Current Canadian "economic assistance" is really just exactly the same kind of business interests that people are complaining about when it comes to the U.S. Please don't pretend or be fooled otherwise.
You're right. That's because our country is lobbied to death by American and multinational corporations, one wonders how "independent" we really are. It's sickening.
I'm glad our government (at the time) took a stand and had the forsight to avoid jumping into the "coalition of the willing", a coalition to disaster. The invasion of Iraq was and is ill conceived and illegitimate; except of course if you are part of the "War Machine". Yes, by golly, it's one of the best money makers there is.
Because of American policy, the protocol of the power brokers (Bush is just a puppet.), the doctrine of preemptive strike, the lust for total dominance - remember the concept of "manifest destiny" (more like manifest rape of the continent), and on and on and on...this world has never been more unsafe; and it's going to get worse. How these fuckers got control of the U. S of A. is a tragedy and a blight against freedom loving people everywhere. The almighty "buck" and the bottom line profit rules the roost; but not for eternity. The shame of it is that so many decent Americans have swallowed the lies hook, line, and sinker.
Look at your own history. Look at your present day society. Your country is one of the most violent to have darkened the planet. The thing that saddens me most is that (as your neighbour) we are not far behind tagging along - but thankfully not on to Iraq. Those billions of dollars could be spent improving your cities, your hospitals, your schools, for crime prevention, to lift the standards of your poor and homeless. Ah, but these targets do not fill the coffers of the War Machine. For one of the "supposedly" greatest democracies the world has seen, you guys are messing up big time.
As for the radical Islamists, this satanic mob of jihadists, Bush, Blair and the rest of the coalition have played right into their hands. This invasion and occupation of Iraq feeds them. They're like a cancer that grows. They undoubtedly have more new recuits lining up than Uncle Sam does. And I am afraid, this myopic, impotent war against terrorisms is being waged with the wrong weapons, the wrong strategies, in the wrong place and by the wrong leaders.
Pointing fingers, indeed. You're ignorance is only surpassed by your fundamental education.
Eric
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You mean like some independent Quebecios master plan to dominate French Africa..... Give me a break. Our foreign policy is directed from our national government, not provincial. Maybe you should go back to school and learn something about Canada.
Of course, Canada was also complicit in British colonial interests in Botswana, Egypt, Gambia, etc., (and let's not forget India) having the strange position of supporting to two biggest colonial thugs on the planet at the same time!
Oh we had so much domineering power over these countries/colonies. What a pile of bullshit. Canada fucking other countries? Even if by being "complicit"??? Wow! The whole world knows about this one, and how evil we are, eh? What a joke. You know nothing factual of Canadian history.
Current Canadian "economic assistance" is really just exactly the same kind of business interests that people are complaining about when it comes to the U.S. Please don't pretend or be fooled otherwise.
You're right. That's because our country is lobbied to death by American and multinational corporations, one wonders how "independent" we really are. It's sickening.
I'm glad our government (at the time) took a stand and had the forsight to avoid jumping into the "coalition of the willing", a coalition to disaster. The invasion of Iraq was and is ill conceived and illegitimate; except of course if you are part of the "War Machine". Yes, by golly, it's one of the best money makers there is.
Because of American policy, the protocol of the power brokers (Bush is just a puppet.), the doctrine of preemptive strike, the lust for total dominance - remember the concept of "manifest destiny" (more like manifest rape of the continent), and on and on and on...this world has never been more unsafe; and it's going to get worse. How these fuckers got control of the U. S of A. is a tragedy and a blight against freedom loving people everywhere. The almighty "buck" and the bottom line profit rules the roost; but not for eternity. The shame of it is that so many decent Americans have swallowed the lies hook, line, and sinker.
Look at your own history. Look at your present day society. Your country is one of the most violent to have darkened the planet. The thing that saddens me most is that (as your neighbour) we are not far behind tagging along - but thankfully not on to Iraq. Those billions of dollars could be spent improving your cities, your hospitals, your schools, for crime prevention, to lift the standards of your poor and homeless. Ah, but these targets do not fill the coffers of the War Machine. For one of the "supposedly" greatest democracies the world has seen, you guys are messing up big time.
As for the radical Islamists, this satanic mob of jihadists, Bush, Blair and the rest of the coalition have played right into their hands. This invasion and occupation of Iraq feeds them. They're like a cancer that grows. They undoubtedly have more new recuits lining up than Uncle Sam does. And I am afraid, this myopic, impotent war against terrorisms is being waged with the wrong weapons, the wrong strategies, in the wrong place and by the wrong leaders.
Pointing fingers, indeed. You're ignorance is only surpassed by your fundamental education.
Eric
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Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
EJ2, you are fucking AWESOME!
well said.
well said.
Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
I am definately not in favor of the US invasion of Iraq, but I can't ignore the fact that it has stopped the daily torture and rape of innocent citizens by Saddam and his sons.
On the other hand, maybe Saddams cruelty has been replaced by new cruelties.
On the other hand, maybe Saddams cruelty has been replaced by new cruelties.
Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
America Bashing: it's one of the world's favorite sports, even in our own country. Just throw around phrases like "gualag ", "Big Oil", "Imperialism", and you are guaranteed an accepting audience: no evidence required.
No one ever seems to make the distinction that Americans were shocked and appalled by the sight of a prisoner with a pair of underwear on his head, while some countries danced in the streets and handed out candy at the sight of thousands of civilians being burned alive. No one has demanded that *they* offer an apology.
America has bad people, just like any other country. the difference is how we react to those people. When people torture civilians, they go to prison. In countries like Iran, they get elected.
Radon_22
"The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office" - Robert Frost
No one ever seems to make the distinction that Americans were shocked and appalled by the sight of a prisoner with a pair of underwear on his head, while some countries danced in the streets and handed out candy at the sight of thousands of civilians being burned alive. No one has demanded that *they* offer an apology.
America has bad people, just like any other country. the difference is how we react to those people. When people torture civilians, they go to prison. In countries like Iran, they get elected.
Radon_22
"The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office" - Robert Frost
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William Coakley
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Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
What you're discussing is the political outfall of what happened eighty years ago. The discussion is pretty much meaningless unless you know how this all came about. That's why there's so much confusion over who's right and nobody has a solution for peace so it looks like this site explains some basics and even has an MP3.
middleeastcrisis.org
Everybody has a theory, Oil, Corporate plotting, Defense Industry political power... it's all pretty meaningless fiddle faddle unless you know how this all got started.
William
middleeastcrisis.org
Everybody has a theory, Oil, Corporate plotting, Defense Industry political power... it's all pretty meaningless fiddle faddle unless you know how this all got started.
William
Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
I don't know, is it just me? or does the Right have a consistent history of conspiracy and craziness?
You will not find acceptance by uttering words suck as 'imperialism' 'big oil' ect...in america. Why do the righties persist on pretending they are a minority? They have BOTH HOUSES and the presidency. Are you stupid? can you add???
My friend lives in Roswell and gets in fist fights everyday because those rednecks down there don't talk 'with traitors'. It is aweful.
I feel bad for what sadaam did to the people of Iraq, but the truth of the matter is, The US has killed more Iraqi's then Sadaam did.
Cancer rates are soaring in Iraq because of the depleted Uranium rounds left behind from 1991 DStorm.
300,000 childern died between 1991 and 2003 in Iraq because of American sanctions.
the list goes on.
You will not find acceptance by uttering words suck as 'imperialism' 'big oil' ect...in america. Why do the righties persist on pretending they are a minority? They have BOTH HOUSES and the presidency. Are you stupid? can you add???
My friend lives in Roswell and gets in fist fights everyday because those rednecks down there don't talk 'with traitors'. It is aweful.
I feel bad for what sadaam did to the people of Iraq, but the truth of the matter is, The US has killed more Iraqi's then Sadaam did.
Cancer rates are soaring in Iraq because of the depleted Uranium rounds left behind from 1991 DStorm.
300,000 childern died between 1991 and 2003 in Iraq because of American sanctions.
the list goes on.
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Orwell, you just proved my point.
Yes, the right is a "majority" in the US. But only very slightly so. Most political races are decided by less that 10 %.
Ironically- I'm not even close to a right-wing republican.
I never mentioned conspiracy- yet those of your persuasion scream it at every turn about the current president.
Does he make stupid decisions? Without a doubt. Does he have the destruction of the world as his goal as some on the left say? I doubt it.
If you are going to throw out factiods as you did in your last point, such as cancer rates or who has killed more, please provide some raw data. Not an op-ed piece or site, either.
Oh, and those sanctions... Those were UN mandated, not US. Again, facts, not retoric, go a long way.
Radon_22
"The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office" - Robert Frost
Yes, the right is a "majority" in the US. But only very slightly so. Most political races are decided by less that 10 %.
Ironically- I'm not even close to a right-wing republican.
I never mentioned conspiracy- yet those of your persuasion scream it at every turn about the current president.
Does he make stupid decisions? Without a doubt. Does he have the destruction of the world as his goal as some on the left say? I doubt it.
If you are going to throw out factiods as you did in your last point, such as cancer rates or who has killed more, please provide some raw data. Not an op-ed piece or site, either.
Oh, and those sanctions... Those were UN mandated, not US. Again, facts, not retoric, go a long way.
Radon_22
"The brain is a wonderful organ. It starts working the moment you get up in the morning, and does not stop until you get into the office" - Robert Frost
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Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
William, good site but eighty years? I think this goes back even further - Perhapes Abraham.
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William Coakley
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honeyshape
Actually, we've been led to think it goes back to Abraham but that's just myth.
During the persecution of Jews in Europe, Jews fled to Arab countries where they found safe haven from Christians. And even in Palestine before the British decided to install a Jewish state there... Jews and Arabs lived peacefully side by side. It was Jewish and Arab scholars who translated the great works of ancient writers into European languages.
It's amazing to think that there actually was something that started this whole mess we're in now. Aside from myth, historically, it begins in 1920. And without some knowledge as to how it began ...all discussion ends up as it is here... un-focused, un-productive and only creates more confusion and apathy.
William
During the persecution of Jews in Europe, Jews fled to Arab countries where they found safe haven from Christians. And even in Palestine before the British decided to install a Jewish state there... Jews and Arabs lived peacefully side by side. It was Jewish and Arab scholars who translated the great works of ancient writers into European languages.
It's amazing to think that there actually was something that started this whole mess we're in now. Aside from myth, historically, it begins in 1920. And without some knowledge as to how it began ...all discussion ends up as it is here... un-focused, un-productive and only creates more confusion and apathy.
William
Re: Important History Lesson for all Americans
...centred on the Israeli-Palistinian conflict....
This doesn't explain the conflict between
- Aghanis and Soviets (pre-Taliban)
- Muslim extemists bombing subways in Tashkent, Uzbekistan,
- Bali,
- Phillipine terrorism,
- African genocide in fractured religious groups (eg Darfur, and that's only one),
- the struggle for Kashmir in India,
- conflict in Gruzia-Georgia (former SSR)
- the genocide in former Yugoslavia,'
- Chechnian terrorism
- etc., etc. etc.
There is more involved than the I-P conflict. To be sure this greatly foments the situation, but it is not just in the Middle East.
Some religous historians/anthropoligists believe these aberrations are growing pains (albeit violent and reprehensible). Judaism and Christianity undwent violent upheavals, and now Islam (which is younger than the former two) is showing the same ugly face of religious intolerance and coercion through violence and terrorism.
There are others who say it is the struggle for control of the worlds resources - land, food, water, natural resources, etc., - not just the conflict of the haves against the have nots; although there is evidence that terrorists have taken on the status of vanguard vigilantes trying to wrestle control from the power elite. Mutant religion is the vehicle.
Has the west (US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Australia etc) become the new corrupt Roman Empire challenged by the new Vandals? Are we the new Babylon that will fall? To us, it doesn't make sense (at least those of us who have some standard of living). But to the extremists, we are all members of "Legion's" cohort, all part of satan's poison, and therefor all targets. Battleships, aircraft carriers, cannons, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets and bombers will never win this kind of war.
It is a new battle field totally alien to seasoned generals. Until we adopt a strategy that truly and legitimately appeals to the hearts and minds of all - especially in grounds fertile for extremist malevalence. Words alone will fall to the rocks and perish. Deeds without honour, humaneness, and validity will be suspect and fail to take root.
Foreign policy must change. Our own home grown democracy must be re-established. The world needs to come together in caring for all of its inhabitants. But we continue to fail miserably. Not even one month after "Live8" and news of the tragic events in places such as Niger continue to unfold. There is no peace where or when there is no justice.
We as a species we must "grow up" or we will perish from the face of the earth. Actually, ecological anarchists think this would be the best thing to happen to our planet.
Cheers,
Eric
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http://spaces.msn.com/members/EJ2/
This doesn't explain the conflict between
- Aghanis and Soviets (pre-Taliban)
- Muslim extemists bombing subways in Tashkent, Uzbekistan,
- Bali,
- Phillipine terrorism,
- African genocide in fractured religious groups (eg Darfur, and that's only one),
- the struggle for Kashmir in India,
- conflict in Gruzia-Georgia (former SSR)
- the genocide in former Yugoslavia,'
- Chechnian terrorism
- etc., etc. etc.
There is more involved than the I-P conflict. To be sure this greatly foments the situation, but it is not just in the Middle East.
Some religous historians/anthropoligists believe these aberrations are growing pains (albeit violent and reprehensible). Judaism and Christianity undwent violent upheavals, and now Islam (which is younger than the former two) is showing the same ugly face of religious intolerance and coercion through violence and terrorism.
There are others who say it is the struggle for control of the worlds resources - land, food, water, natural resources, etc., - not just the conflict of the haves against the have nots; although there is evidence that terrorists have taken on the status of vanguard vigilantes trying to wrestle control from the power elite. Mutant religion is the vehicle.
Has the west (US, Canada, Europe, Japan, Australia etc) become the new corrupt Roman Empire challenged by the new Vandals? Are we the new Babylon that will fall? To us, it doesn't make sense (at least those of us who have some standard of living). But to the extremists, we are all members of "Legion's" cohort, all part of satan's poison, and therefor all targets. Battleships, aircraft carriers, cannons, tanks, helicopters, fighter jets and bombers will never win this kind of war.
It is a new battle field totally alien to seasoned generals. Until we adopt a strategy that truly and legitimately appeals to the hearts and minds of all - especially in grounds fertile for extremist malevalence. Words alone will fall to the rocks and perish. Deeds without honour, humaneness, and validity will be suspect and fail to take root.
Foreign policy must change. Our own home grown democracy must be re-established. The world needs to come together in caring for all of its inhabitants. But we continue to fail miserably. Not even one month after "Live8" and news of the tragic events in places such as Niger continue to unfold. There is no peace where or when there is no justice.
We as a species we must "grow up" or we will perish from the face of the earth. Actually, ecological anarchists think this would be the best thing to happen to our planet.
Cheers,
Eric
EJ2 - Double EJ Projects BLOG
http://spaces.msn.com/members/EJ2/