RPS BUG! (Major problem)

[Quinnx.]

Okay,, everyone try this... (os 2.0 and all you 1.x users )
im nearly sure this did not exist in 1.x.

goto mixer mode

channel 1 patch select a string patch(for the purpose of this experiment)

SONG EDIT.

clear song (new)

Ptn mode
press record and choose wait key

play a chord and hold for about 4 bars

Assign pattern to a key using RPS (shift rps)

press SONG EDIT enter song mode

press record and play to start recording in to a track and then pressing the key on the keyboard which has been assigned to rps on every beat like so...

1 2 3 4 .. 1 2 3 4....

notice how it sounds while your doing this...

after about 4 bars

press STOP /RESET/PLAY...

do you hear what you have just played or is it a complete mess!??
(i have tryed mute group and factory reset)
still the same result. (a complete mess!!!)

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
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Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb

[LivePsy]

This doesn't make musical sense. You have a 4 bar pattern, but you want to get it to restart on evert beat. RPS patterns are intended to play all the way through and usually repeat the entire pattern until told to stop.

If you want to restart the phrase like that stuttering sample effect, then you should sample the entire phrase and do it sample style. An RPS is a string of midi data, restarting it doesn't seem useful considering its intended purpose.

Your posts seem to be more interested in finding bugs in the F6 than finding ways for it to make the music you have in your head. Use it how it works best, don't try to do things that it doesn't like to do. Fantoms have feelings too...

B

[btdvox]

well haha i tried the experiment and it worked fine for me but i dont think i followed your steps thouroughly, i kinda get confused after recording it 1234...1234...

[Quinnx.]

"Your posts seem to be more interested in finding bugs in the F6 than finding ways for it to make the music you have in your head. Use it how it works best, don't try to do things that it doesn't like to do. Fantoms have feelings too..."

What!? are you talking about??

dont tell me how to create music and i wont try tell you how to shit.

all i need to know is, do you get the same playback as when you recorded or did it sound like a mess.

if it sounded like a mess
what os where you using 1.x or 2.0

thats all i want,
i dont need preaching or opinions and i didnt ask.

"This doesn't make musical sense"
thats because your fist assumtion is incorrect.
Your confusing this with a musical technique (which this is not) to an experiment for demonstration purposes only (which is what this is)

"well haha i tried the experiment and it worked fine for me but i dont think i followed your steps thouroughly, i kinda get confused after recording it 1234...1234..."

What OS where you using...?

just create the chord
play it by pressing the key on the keyboard
by
pressing once..
then again
and again
and again..
each time you do this durinng record you should be hearing the chord stop start stop start etc....

but when you stop recording and then press playback
you probably dont hear what you just recorded
its as if all chords where played with the hold pedal on...

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)


Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb

[dansgold]

Does setting the voice reserve on the associated track(s) to equal the number of notes played affect this?

Not near a Fantom right now ... just wondering.

[Quinnx.]

if you try the experiment you will realise this would not be something that needs to be done.

the result effects all tracks all notes
and makes rps useless because it does not send appropriate note on/off messages to the sequencer so what you hear when playing is not what you hear on playback and becuse this experiment fails in producing what you played also has effects all the way through the rps system.

this experiment demonstrates its effects to make it obvious so you dont have to search for its effects.

i dont want to have to go back to 1.x to check if it is the same(though im pretty sure this bug does not exist i need some one to confirm it)

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)


Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb

[lazeeboy]

I've tried it and confirm your findings (I have OS 2.0). The exact pattern data is just inserted at the place you press the pad including the duration of the original in stead of the duration of the actual pad press.

I can imagine that this is the intended use of patterns as Roland saw it, so it's probably not a bug, but it's certainly not consistant if the recording differs from playback.

Sucks finding stuff like this out don't it.

Now please somebody try and reproduce this on OS 1.x.

Quinx: I appreciate your frustration but please don't take it out on people trying to help you out. If I misinterpreted please let me know.

Regards,
Laurenz Nitert

[Quinnx.]

Thanks

" The exact pattern data is just inserted"
Thats exactly whats happening..
the problem now is that if you set up several patterns and any of the notes are longer than the actual time you hold the pattern, then as soon as you go to the next pattern there is going to be overlay and chord or pattern Clash!
Your perfect performce/recording will no be as it was recorded when you play it back.
so what are we saying, you cant record what you play?
this cant be right!?.

1.x users lets us know what happens..

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)


Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb

[Quinnx.]

I have tryed to go back to os 1.x from 2.0 but it does not seem possible, so it would be nice if some one with 1.x could test this.

Thanks.

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)


Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb

[btdvox]

I did it finally, and i found out a solution, the reason being is because the pattern data is for 4 bars, so it wont stop for 4 bars no matter what so what i did was instead of having 4 bars, just record the chord for one bar, and it works perfectly, also you can try the different modes, like loop 1, loop 2, once, i did it on loop 2 and once and it worked perfectly try it out.
cheers

[Quinnx.]

"reason being is because the pattern data is for 4 bar"
Thats correct, however when you play the pattern in whatever manner you do, it should send midi data not pattern data..
since you recording should be the same as your performance.
also.. your suggestion on using loop1,2 or mute group does not solve the problem.

what os where you using 1.x or 2.0?

Thanks!

Results not Excuses



QuinnX universal tranlator below:-
(lets not be misunderstood)

!!!!!! Emphasis not anger
!!?? Confusion or Stupidity
ABC are you getting the point
&*$% Anger (but rarely seen)


Fantom-X6 with Audio Track Expansion (OS 2.0)
Windows 2000
Intell P4 2g
512mb

[btdvox]

hey-
im using 2.0,

have you tried just doing it one bar, it works perfectly then try it out, ive been using more and more RPS now haha thanks!

[LivePsy]

the problem now is that if you set up several patterns and any of the notes are longer than the actual time you hold the pattern, then as soon as you go to the next pattern there is going to be overlay and chord or pattern Clash!


That's right, you are doing something without any musical purpose.

B

[btdvox]

well itshudnt be aprob if you use the method i laid out

[pianodick]

I said this in another thread several months ago but I will say it again. This is right out of the fantom s 88 manual and ver batim,
"Only note messages should be recorded in a pattern. If a large amount of MIDI data is recorded in a pattern, using RPS to play back the pattern can cause notes to be delayed. MIDI messages other than note messages should be recorded in a phrase track." page 172 of the s manual.

Signed, "We work, we laugh, we struggle, we perform."?pianodick 2005