Which kind of improvement you will be happy to see in the
next releases of the fANtomx OS...?
my first whishes...(if not posible due to hardware capability)
USB...new ability to use external hard drives such as..ZIP,LACIE,CD ROM anc why not also an external cd-rom writer to save our songs and data without any pc .
work in progress
fantom x OS update WISH LIST
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
This won't be possible due to the lack of hardware - the FX is a slave device, not a USB host.
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
it a little sin....but i can live the same without
maybe in the nex fantom generation?
work in progress
maybe in the nex fantom generation?
work in progress
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
1) File system to be corrected to allow songs to load from memmory card with only the associated samples and not the entire sample list.
2) File system allow more than one backup to be stored with naming.
Sample Editor:
allow the option to DELETE from anywhere in a sample.
Example:
hilight and select _______
Original: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
Choose DELETE
Result: abcdefgqrstuvwxyz
Results not Excuse`s
ROLAND SUCKS!(for now...Later> SU=>RO)
2) File system allow more than one backup to be stored with naming.
Sample Editor:
allow the option to DELETE from anywhere in a sample.
Example:
hilight and select _______
Original: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
Choose DELETE
Result: abcdefgqrstuvwxyz
Results not Excuse`s
ROLAND SUCKS!(for now...Later> SU=>RO)
I got a wish list, after a 3 month deliberation and usage!
Roland may or may not be able to do some of these:
1. No dropping of sound when switching patches, this ruins live functionality severelly.
2. OS upgrades using the usb option to replace the OS file with a new one...ahhh. Having to purchase a card is infidel for this.
3. SKIP BACK MIDI like ensoniq did 10 years ago...this has better memory possibilities than skip back sampling AND enables us to keep only the sequencer data and switch instruments and knob tweak etc.
4. GET THE AKAI TRANSLATION SOFTWARE COMPLETE!!!!
5. Make SRX cards more affordable...I would say 150.00 tops-why you may ask...for one they are old sounds for real (JV) and secondly you ARE competing with software...dont for one second think that you are not!!
6. Harmony effect and/or the whole variphrase formant and pitch engine...the cpu in the machine is good enuf, why disable stuff? ROLAND PURPOSELLY DISABLES FUNCTION...LOL
7. Speaking of disabled, the poor D-beam get worse everytime it appears...either kill it off or bring back its full functionality, the old dbeam off the 505 and the sp808 was way superior over this new bogus dbeam...and WHERE THE HELL IS ADD LIB...why take it away it was already there. (ONCE AGAIN WHY..if it aint broke dont fix it please-roland fixes are known to make things qwerky)
8. Maybe the ability to just save effects patches...that makes the roland double as a rack effects unit...MAKES ITS VALUE INCREASE as a swiss army knife! (think about it digital ins and outs hmmmm DOPE)
9. The OLD MRC sequencer, I mean who actually liked that ever? People could learn alot from a groovebox...this sequencers ease of use makes it about as fun to use as playin jenga with chronic nerve problems...THERE can be linear, but also support easier loop and pattern sequencing THIS SEQUENCER IS THE WORST EVER CONCEIVED BY MANKIND, it is too corporate to be leisure get me.
10. If you are buying this machine based on pads, go get a MV8000 or a MPC cuz these pads have to be hit dead on, and I dont see a velocity curve editting facilities anywhere on the keyboard...maybe I'm blind though...but no matter these pads refuse to trigger when composing 32nd beats almost 50% of the time...EW use the keyboard for drums, because these pads eat crow!!! ( I MEAN IT THE PADS SUCK- I KNOW MY STUFF HERE)
11. The manual for roland products all share the same problem FIRE WHOEVER WRITES THIS CRAP, they need to be locked in the stockade and tomatoed by the years of roland customers who HAD TO BUY the video owners manual to decipher the ancient code of roland programming...Let a musician write this thing...and roland stop patting your back in manuals it takes up 25% of the text..I dont care if a color screen is a first on your board...it isnt you know...it was first on a technics board by the way. In fact several technics boards!! (Honestly, a good idea will be noted without self praise)
THE NEXT FANTOM?
Make it mean business, Incorporate all technologies into one monster...make the largest offering a dual keyboard with drawbars weighted on bottom and synth on top with mv pads...how sick is that? or make it modular somehow, as in want variphrase add our new variphrase engine card...woohoo what an idea huh?
AKAI TRANSLATION IS A STANDARD-fix it!
HARD DRIVE & CD BURNER
USB2 or FIREWIRE is better
FORGET THE CARDS --all of em-- memory and srx make cdroms instead-like everyone else IF I WANT A CARD, I like yamahas cards NEW SYNTH-ENGINES ON THOSE!!!
PART MIX SLIDERS(this was a dope thing)
THE REAL D BEAM(this was also awesome)"addlib makes killer coltrane type horn riffs..all day long!
PUT Video canvas stuff in the machine who wants that other thing is over priced ...geez compare that to ARKAOS please...lol and laugh at roland.
SKIP BACK SAMPLING user defineable size files as well as SKIP BACK MIDI
COLOR TOUCH SCREEN
NO GLITCHY PATCH SWITCHING, I know this is caused by the switching of the effects, thats why you need effects cards!!! NOT SRX CARDS!!!--I see srx cards all over ebay, nobody cares anymore about waverom boards...I aint lying, hmmm let me see for 300 bucks i can buy 4-8 gigs of orchestra sounds or i can get 64 megs of jv1080 orchestra sounds HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF? Which goes to show ya just how important akai translation should be to you...DUH
SLIDERS(4) with buttons for assigninment(why are they gone...c'mon--not everything is better controlled with a knob)
VS8f boards for more effects and make the vs8f3 available as well. (you know good and well this is possible)
EFFECTS PATCHES SAVABLE-independently (and this as well)
MV8000 pads, if you gonna give us pads then give us the goods, this really ups controller value (you gotta think as a user for a moment) [its the right thing to do]
SEQUENCER with groove orientation as well...for hiphop, dance, and newbie producers...cuz everybody knows that NOT everybody is a pianist that buys this thing...in fact I bet at least 30% of your users cant read, write, or actually play music.
Audio tracks-this can be done simply by allowing a note on message to be sequenced at the beginning of sampling...to allow the sequencer to put the vocals where they go when you play back!!! (wow this one little thing sells this to alot more people for a mere 2 grand)
I HEAR ALOT OF PEOPLE CAOMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR JOYSTICK it needs full motion (up,down,right,left-with switchable spring)
[I personally know 6 people who wont by it because they hate that one thing, but they have all agreed it is an improvement over the JX305 type breaky feelin joystick mistake)
VARIPHRASE pitch modes...modifying pitch on samples and controlling formant!!! (Everybody knows this is possible and it walks hand in hand with patch design, why not include it? Makes for greater patches due to the samples taking less space IE-one or two notes are required instead of 1 per every other key...bigtime buying point to me!!!)
...have you ever thought of adding 30 bucks to the machine and just shipping it with the video owners manual, just in case your product breaks a persons income and they are forced to buy it with a loan? This is a relistic approach you know. ( I mean it adds to the value of your products and nobody will notice as much, and it definitelly sells more videos...but what I think is most beautiful about it is that it shows that you are a corporation that cares!!)
My final word...I love the fantom X6 -or OF COURSE, I wouldnt have gave up 2 months salary to pick it up, I can live with some of the faults of the machine because "I bought them aware", but strokin your own meatus(roland is this or that) in a manual while knowing that there are many bogus and non addressed issues on board your FLAGSHIP workstation is a no no. It makes you a pompous ass.
I love the innovation of the company-as well as the dream that roland will one day put out the real monster. This is 2004-2005 the market is now very blurry between computers and hardware and SAMPLETANK 2 has definitelly stepped up to do battle as well as MOTU MACH 5 ...its time to worry, controllers are growing ever so quality and dwindling in price...with software synths and samplers busting in at phenominal price ranges...MAKE FOLKS HAPPY...YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT DAMMIT, the "ALL ROLAND BUTT WHOOPIN MACHINE" -i take it home and Virtual analogue, mangle samples, track vocals, sequence awesome patches use killer effects...and burn a cd on one machine, that of course is a killer controller with many new ways to control the computer and other gear!...so what its 4 to 5 thousand- ITS PRO FOR REAL THIS TIME...and people dont flame me, because if roland made this keyboard right now that included all of there technological wonders (without crippling them) the stores would have lines like a friggin Madonna concert!!!
I love Fantomized, I come and read everyday...I hope roland sees this place as a haven for those who show real love for the fantom product line.
~TiK
Life is What you Pay for
1. No dropping of sound when switching patches, this ruins live functionality severelly.
2. OS upgrades using the usb option to replace the OS file with a new one...ahhh. Having to purchase a card is infidel for this.
3. SKIP BACK MIDI like ensoniq did 10 years ago...this has better memory possibilities than skip back sampling AND enables us to keep only the sequencer data and switch instruments and knob tweak etc.
4. GET THE AKAI TRANSLATION SOFTWARE COMPLETE!!!!
5. Make SRX cards more affordable...I would say 150.00 tops-why you may ask...for one they are old sounds for real (JV) and secondly you ARE competing with software...dont for one second think that you are not!!
6. Harmony effect and/or the whole variphrase formant and pitch engine...the cpu in the machine is good enuf, why disable stuff? ROLAND PURPOSELLY DISABLES FUNCTION...LOL
7. Speaking of disabled, the poor D-beam get worse everytime it appears...either kill it off or bring back its full functionality, the old dbeam off the 505 and the sp808 was way superior over this new bogus dbeam...and WHERE THE HELL IS ADD LIB...why take it away it was already there. (ONCE AGAIN WHY..if it aint broke dont fix it please-roland fixes are known to make things qwerky)
8. Maybe the ability to just save effects patches...that makes the roland double as a rack effects unit...MAKES ITS VALUE INCREASE as a swiss army knife! (think about it digital ins and outs hmmmm DOPE)
9. The OLD MRC sequencer, I mean who actually liked that ever? People could learn alot from a groovebox...this sequencers ease of use makes it about as fun to use as playin jenga with chronic nerve problems...THERE can be linear, but also support easier loop and pattern sequencing THIS SEQUENCER IS THE WORST EVER CONCEIVED BY MANKIND, it is too corporate to be leisure get me.
10. If you are buying this machine based on pads, go get a MV8000 or a MPC cuz these pads have to be hit dead on, and I dont see a velocity curve editting facilities anywhere on the keyboard...maybe I'm blind though...but no matter these pads refuse to trigger when composing 32nd beats almost 50% of the time...EW use the keyboard for drums, because these pads eat crow!!! ( I MEAN IT THE PADS SUCK- I KNOW MY STUFF HERE)
11. The manual for roland products all share the same problem FIRE WHOEVER WRITES THIS CRAP, they need to be locked in the stockade and tomatoed by the years of roland customers who HAD TO BUY the video owners manual to decipher the ancient code of roland programming...Let a musician write this thing...and roland stop patting your back in manuals it takes up 25% of the text..I dont care if a color screen is a first on your board...it isnt you know...it was first on a technics board by the way. In fact several technics boards!! (Honestly, a good idea will be noted without self praise)
THE NEXT FANTOM?
Make it mean business, Incorporate all technologies into one monster...make the largest offering a dual keyboard with drawbars weighted on bottom and synth on top with mv pads...how sick is that? or make it modular somehow, as in want variphrase add our new variphrase engine card...woohoo what an idea huh?
AKAI TRANSLATION IS A STANDARD-fix it!
HARD DRIVE & CD BURNER
USB2 or FIREWIRE is better
FORGET THE CARDS --all of em-- memory and srx make cdroms instead-like everyone else IF I WANT A CARD, I like yamahas cards NEW SYNTH-ENGINES ON THOSE!!!
PART MIX SLIDERS(this was a dope thing)
THE REAL D BEAM(this was also awesome)"addlib makes killer coltrane type horn riffs..all day long!
PUT Video canvas stuff in the machine who wants that other thing is over priced ...geez compare that to ARKAOS please...lol and laugh at roland.
SKIP BACK SAMPLING user defineable size files as well as SKIP BACK MIDI
COLOR TOUCH SCREEN
NO GLITCHY PATCH SWITCHING, I know this is caused by the switching of the effects, thats why you need effects cards!!! NOT SRX CARDS!!!--I see srx cards all over ebay, nobody cares anymore about waverom boards...I aint lying, hmmm let me see for 300 bucks i can buy 4-8 gigs of orchestra sounds or i can get 64 megs of jv1080 orchestra sounds HAHAHAHAHAHAHA WTF? Which goes to show ya just how important akai translation should be to you...DUH
SLIDERS(4) with buttons for assigninment(why are they gone...c'mon--not everything is better controlled with a knob)
VS8f boards for more effects and make the vs8f3 available as well. (you know good and well this is possible)
EFFECTS PATCHES SAVABLE-independently (and this as well)
MV8000 pads, if you gonna give us pads then give us the goods, this really ups controller value (you gotta think as a user for a moment) [its the right thing to do]
SEQUENCER with groove orientation as well...for hiphop, dance, and newbie producers...cuz everybody knows that NOT everybody is a pianist that buys this thing...in fact I bet at least 30% of your users cant read, write, or actually play music.
Audio tracks-this can be done simply by allowing a note on message to be sequenced at the beginning of sampling...to allow the sequencer to put the vocals where they go when you play back!!! (wow this one little thing sells this to alot more people for a mere 2 grand)
I HEAR ALOT OF PEOPLE CAOMPLAIN ABOUT YOUR JOYSTICK it needs full motion (up,down,right,left-with switchable spring)
[I personally know 6 people who wont by it because they hate that one thing, but they have all agreed it is an improvement over the JX305 type breaky feelin joystick mistake)
VARIPHRASE pitch modes...modifying pitch on samples and controlling formant!!! (Everybody knows this is possible and it walks hand in hand with patch design, why not include it? Makes for greater patches due to the samples taking less space IE-one or two notes are required instead of 1 per every other key...bigtime buying point to me!!!)
...have you ever thought of adding 30 bucks to the machine and just shipping it with the video owners manual, just in case your product breaks a persons income and they are forced to buy it with a loan? This is a relistic approach you know. ( I mean it adds to the value of your products and nobody will notice as much, and it definitelly sells more videos...but what I think is most beautiful about it is that it shows that you are a corporation that cares!!)
My final word...I love the fantom X6 -or OF COURSE, I wouldnt have gave up 2 months salary to pick it up, I can live with some of the faults of the machine because "I bought them aware", but strokin your own meatus(roland is this or that) in a manual while knowing that there are many bogus and non addressed issues on board your FLAGSHIP workstation is a no no. It makes you a pompous ass.
I love the innovation of the company-as well as the dream that roland will one day put out the real monster. This is 2004-2005 the market is now very blurry between computers and hardware and SAMPLETANK 2 has definitelly stepped up to do battle as well as MOTU MACH 5 ...its time to worry, controllers are growing ever so quality and dwindling in price...with software synths and samplers busting in at phenominal price ranges...MAKE FOLKS HAPPY...YOU KNOW WHAT WE WANT DAMMIT, the "ALL ROLAND BUTT WHOOPIN MACHINE" -i take it home and Virtual analogue, mangle samples, track vocals, sequence awesome patches use killer effects...and burn a cd on one machine, that of course is a killer controller with many new ways to control the computer and other gear!...so what its 4 to 5 thousand- ITS PRO FOR REAL THIS TIME...and people dont flame me, because if roland made this keyboard right now that included all of there technological wonders (without crippling them) the stores would have lines like a friggin Madonna concert!!!
I love Fantomized, I come and read everyday...I hope roland sees this place as a haven for those who show real love for the fantom product line.
~TiK
Life is What you Pay for
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
I'm sure the statement in your sig, what was it.... "Roland Sucks"???, is a sure fire way to get them to listen to your suggestion QuinnX:-D
For the Rack, I would like an update at all lol;) I would love to have the patch that fixes some of those things in the rack they already fixed in the keyboard(like the random popping when changing patches)
Rack users are left out completely so far. Hey man, you X keyboard users ought to speak out for their rack counterparts a lil' more.
For real though..... I was wondering if Roland releases new features in OS updates like Korg does, I'm pretty new to Roland(very happy so far). Heck with Korg you get some new features and enhancements with every update.
One feature, I would love to have, and I think everyone would agree here, is to let us have another 128 patches and another 64 performances, another 128 multisamples on the card.
Just double the storage on the card:
256 patches
128 Performances
256 multisamples
on and on...
That doesn't seem like something that would tax the system, or go beyond the limitations of the hardware.
Whoa, wait.... and some new SRX boards.... SRX VOCAL Roland..... Yeah!!
Pretty please Roland, with a cherry on top;)
Best Regards,
John
For the Rack, I would like an update at all lol;) I would love to have the patch that fixes some of those things in the rack they already fixed in the keyboard(like the random popping when changing patches)
Rack users are left out completely so far. Hey man, you X keyboard users ought to speak out for their rack counterparts a lil' more.
For real though..... I was wondering if Roland releases new features in OS updates like Korg does, I'm pretty new to Roland(very happy so far). Heck with Korg you get some new features and enhancements with every update.
One feature, I would love to have, and I think everyone would agree here, is to let us have another 128 patches and another 64 performances, another 128 multisamples on the card.
Just double the storage on the card:
256 patches
128 Performances
256 multisamples
on and on...
That doesn't seem like something that would tax the system, or go beyond the limitations of the hardware.
Whoa, wait.... and some new SRX boards.... SRX VOCAL Roland..... Yeah!!
Pretty please Roland, with a cherry on top;)
Best Regards,
John
New Card memory useage and vocal SRX
Roland would have to give us VAriphrase to make a vocal board worth anything to me...and as far as card useage ...the number of songs etc is based on the addressing the roland computer is able to handle...I really dont think this is fixable at the time.
~TiK
Life is What you Pay for
~TiK
Life is What you Pay for
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
Didn't say anything about songs, what I did ask for was a surely more possible than than what you wrote up there..... Mind your own post, it's a wish list, but if you must:
Sigh.....
Regarding your post on SRX board, you're not counting the price of your computer when you say software are you. Again forget not, that not only are you getting the Sample data, and patches, but you are getting a hardware rom that will make it part of the keyboard. .
Looks like the Motif people have got in your brain, or you've spent too much time at HC. The motif can only get 170mb of rom samples, you may be able to get plg boards but on those there will never be as big of samples as there are on the SRX boards, that's the limitation of the plgs.
Heck a Fantom XR can have 512mb of rom, lol. Nothing out there boasts that kind of library before loading samples.
You can barely get a good sample library on cd for 150 bucks much less a rom to put it on that fits in your keyboard in Native format with over 400 patches that you will never have to load. I do agree with you on there needs to be new srx boards not made of the JV boards, but I'll tell ya................. some of them kick ass.
Sigh.....
Regarding your post on SRX board, you're not counting the price of your computer when you say software are you. Again forget not, that not only are you getting the Sample data, and patches, but you are getting a hardware rom that will make it part of the keyboard. .
Looks like the Motif people have got in your brain, or you've spent too much time at HC. The motif can only get 170mb of rom samples, you may be able to get plg boards but on those there will never be as big of samples as there are on the SRX boards, that's the limitation of the plgs.
Heck a Fantom XR can have 512mb of rom, lol. Nothing out there boasts that kind of library before loading samples.
You can barely get a good sample library on cd for 150 bucks much less a rom to put it on that fits in your keyboard in Native format with over 400 patches that you will never have to load. I do agree with you on there needs to be new srx boards not made of the JV boards, but I'll tell ya................. some of them kick ass.
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
hmmm let's see..
1. Auto BPM detection of samples, without needing to write tempo of EVERY Loop I load. Or atleast adding the ability to selecting more than one samples, and setting their tempos. If I load 20 samples of 100BPM, I would like to select 20 samples, and set their tempo to 100, rather than selecting the 20 samples one by one and setting the tempo to 100. Would save me a lot of time, frustration, finger fatigue, and buttons wear and tear..
2. Ability to specify keyranges for samples before creating the multisample, without needing to writing root key of every single sample. And Ability to edit the multisample on screen. This will allow to use a sample to be used in more than one multisamples at different keyranges.
3. Fix autochop to make more than 16 chopped sections.
4. Ability to edit quantize templates and add velocity strength settings in addition to timing.
5. Ability to Save the song as MIDI file with the effects and sounds edits as sysex embedded.
6. For editing functions in SONG EDIT, select the current track automatically. This is soooooo stupid. You record on track 10, and want to quantize, the edit screen has track 1, change to 10... then record on track 1, the edit screen has track 9..... stupid!!!
7. PLEASE, Please, please........ take the SVQ file name from song name. WHY do we have to do it twice? and We wouldn't save the song called "Techno bump" as New_Song.SVQ!!!!
8. More user banks on card.
9. Per Project folders.
10. Cross-fade looping of samples
11. Ability to insert controller data in different wave shapes, with frequency, density, amplitude parameters.
--------------------
Remember that there are only 3 MFX + 1 Reverb + 1 Chorus in Fantom-S/X and you have to share them across 16 parts (patches) in a song.
live a musical life
1. Auto BPM detection of samples, without needing to write tempo of EVERY Loop I load. Or atleast adding the ability to selecting more than one samples, and setting their tempos. If I load 20 samples of 100BPM, I would like to select 20 samples, and set their tempo to 100, rather than selecting the 20 samples one by one and setting the tempo to 100. Would save me a lot of time, frustration, finger fatigue, and buttons wear and tear..
2. Ability to specify keyranges for samples before creating the multisample, without needing to writing root key of every single sample. And Ability to edit the multisample on screen. This will allow to use a sample to be used in more than one multisamples at different keyranges.
3. Fix autochop to make more than 16 chopped sections.
4. Ability to edit quantize templates and add velocity strength settings in addition to timing.
5. Ability to Save the song as MIDI file with the effects and sounds edits as sysex embedded.
6. For editing functions in SONG EDIT, select the current track automatically. This is soooooo stupid. You record on track 10, and want to quantize, the edit screen has track 1, change to 10... then record on track 1, the edit screen has track 9..... stupid!!!
7. PLEASE, Please, please........ take the SVQ file name from song name. WHY do we have to do it twice? and We wouldn't save the song called "Techno bump" as New_Song.SVQ!!!!
8. More user banks on card.
9. Per Project folders.
10. Cross-fade looping of samples
11. Ability to insert controller data in different wave shapes, with frequency, density, amplitude parameters.
--------------------
Remember that there are only 3 MFX + 1 Reverb + 1 Chorus in Fantom-S/X and you have to share them across 16 parts (patches) in a song.
live a musical life
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
One thing that should be possible and is a must:
Piano Mode button doubles as an undo/redo(user selectable).
That's all I ask for...
Piano Mode button doubles as an undo/redo(user selectable).
That's all I ask for...
to john
ibook=1100
sampletank=300
midicontroller 61 keys=300
total 1700.00 (thnx math police:))
the sequencer comes free with the ibook its called garageband
i got 300 bucks to spare, maybe buy a akai cdrom to load into sampletank 2
and have 4.7 gigs of rompler sounds plus whatever is on the cdrom...and yes sampletank2 is a fierce competitor!!! It beat out motif to me...and the roland only zonked it on guitars and pianos...but on pianos it depends on what your after...
~TiK
oh yea the patches and all that that you save on a card, depends on the number of data addresses a computer can handle...the roland hasnt changed there since it started!
its a hardware issue..not a software fixable thing, but yes it would be nice if you could save more to a card...and upgrade without one..which is totally not necessary!
Life is What you Pay for
sampletank=300
midicontroller 61 keys=300
total 1700.00 (thnx math police:))
the sequencer comes free with the ibook its called garageband
i got 300 bucks to spare, maybe buy a akai cdrom to load into sampletank 2
and have 4.7 gigs of rompler sounds plus whatever is on the cdrom...and yes sampletank2 is a fierce competitor!!! It beat out motif to me...and the roland only zonked it on guitars and pianos...but on pianos it depends on what your after...
~TiK
oh yea the patches and all that that you save on a card, depends on the number of data addresses a computer can handle...the roland hasnt changed there since it started!
its a hardware issue..not a software fixable thing, but yes it would be nice if you could save more to a card...and upgrade without one..which is totally not necessary!
Life is What you Pay for
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Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
TIK777, the math police are asking that you recheck your addition.
"It is not the anticipated and perfectly performed musical note that singles out for recognition any particular musical performance." ©2004 Pianodick
"It is not the anticipated and perfectly performed musical note that singles out for recognition any particular musical performance." ©2004 Pianodick
My biggest question to not just Roland
WHY is it that hardware companies use old chip technology in new hardware (buying power maybe, overage of stock maybe?)
WHY does Roland disavow any knowledge of past machines EXCEPT for classics...maybe they should make some new classics (vsynth is gonna be one, and maybe the MV)
Lets start anew shall we...I wish somebody out there would truly pay attention to this:
1. hardware synths are software-the controller is just integrated!
2. I/O and flexibility in 2004 is a must(versus pricetag)
3. Maybe we should find a focal point roland and end an era...IE) Now would be a good time to develop a few new technologies and let the others integrate into the best of machine....MOVE FORWARD Invent the future!!! If I get one more tb303 emulation or one more 808 kick DAYUMMMMMMMM what a waste of space, time, and consumer money...and definitely a waste in development of new things...there are thousands of remakes by now --some convincing....but if I am really captivated that hard by a 303 I will get on ebay and buy one used...or better yet...bring it back out...if not leave it be its over, Elvis has left the building, Tupac got shot...they aint comin back...let it die.
I have bought all this Roland gear in the past:
Tr: 606, 707, 808, 505, dr-5(boss), dr202, r70, dr550
Sp808
MC303, mc505, mc909
Jx305
VF-1(boss)
XP80
SP303
and finally the FANTOMX6
I loved a few pieces of that gear quite alot!!! but to be honest there was a major recycling of features and purposeful deletion of some features amongst that list...for example the leaving out of the GM sounds in the MC505 was a the major difference between it and the JX305...
I am not saying that Roland is a bad company I am just stating that like all corporations they seem not to care much about realistic needs of musical individuals and they DO HOLD BACK on products!!! which is insane especially in the growing and ever so CHALLENGING COMPUTER SOFTWARE MARKET
the fantom X should be able to render a sample edit on the fly just as fast as a pentium 3 machine, and that would still make it old technology, but no the fantom is slow much more likened to a 386 computer...let me see lets compare things, would you rather have hi speed internet or land based dial up? Thats easy isnt it...THE PUBLIC WANTS SPEED...I have to wait for the fantom to perform its calculations for like 2 and 3 minutes on some sample edits made to longer samples...YES I KNOW, drag it to the PC (but this defeats the statement made about...Tik, some of us dont have or want computers) Yeah you cant have it both ways with this machine...
Comparison study scenerio:
I got 50 drum samples to capture for a live HIPHOP or new school Urban album project(which the fantom is marketted at) I wont be snatchin these off no audio cd...I will be grabbin these from vinyl....no ground(i shoulda bought the MV right...no the mv has only one multi effects processor, and does not have the same sounds at all!!!) So I put the thing on autochop...first of all this is way behind...this my friends is NO recycle (standard warning) but it will in 70% of the cases do a good job.(hope this isnt done on a 2 bar loop...i have to seperate samples into half bar loops to get enuf slices on busy material). The fantom is kicking out drum hits tho...wooohooo they have been sliced and put on the pads to construct a kit...which means we are gonna have to do this in 16 sample groups (limit of Fantom) on the comp I used the same amount of time...except I accomplished the wax lift in one run not four...I sliced all 50 with one foul swoop...and added compression...ahhhhh...imported to reason and ready to use whther as a loop or as individual drum elements...and all available at one time. The fantom is still processing the normalization on the first 16 drum hits...NOT GOOD.....and thank God I didnt have to cut these in the fantom because the screen redraw is pathetically underpowered as anybody who scrolls thru a sample can determine on sight...whoa! After reading the example I would hope that just this one thing will shed light on the point I am trying to make...YES the roland fantom x is great in comparison to all other hardware workstations...unless you need a cd burnt, unless you love extremely slow pc cards, unless you wanna save samples on a hardrive, unless you want start markers for vocal or live guitar feeds into the sampler while sequencing...see folks I would like to see a piece of hardware that is on PAR with software...not battling the motif which was already 1.5 years old...LMAO, I certainly hope it could be beaten.
~TiK
Life is What you Pay for
WHY does Roland disavow any knowledge of past machines EXCEPT for classics...maybe they should make some new classics (vsynth is gonna be one, and maybe the MV)
Lets start anew shall we...I wish somebody out there would truly pay attention to this:
1. hardware synths are software-the controller is just integrated!
2. I/O and flexibility in 2004 is a must(versus pricetag)
3. Maybe we should find a focal point roland and end an era...IE) Now would be a good time to develop a few new technologies and let the others integrate into the best of machine....MOVE FORWARD Invent the future!!! If I get one more tb303 emulation or one more 808 kick DAYUMMMMMMMM what a waste of space, time, and consumer money...and definitely a waste in development of new things...there are thousands of remakes by now --some convincing....but if I am really captivated that hard by a 303 I will get on ebay and buy one used...or better yet...bring it back out...if not leave it be its over, Elvis has left the building, Tupac got shot...they aint comin back...let it die.
I have bought all this Roland gear in the past:
Tr: 606, 707, 808, 505, dr-5(boss), dr202, r70, dr550
Sp808
MC303, mc505, mc909
Jx305
VF-1(boss)
XP80
SP303
and finally the FANTOMX6
I loved a few pieces of that gear quite alot!!! but to be honest there was a major recycling of features and purposeful deletion of some features amongst that list...for example the leaving out of the GM sounds in the MC505 was a the major difference between it and the JX305...
I am not saying that Roland is a bad company I am just stating that like all corporations they seem not to care much about realistic needs of musical individuals and they DO HOLD BACK on products!!! which is insane especially in the growing and ever so CHALLENGING COMPUTER SOFTWARE MARKET
the fantom X should be able to render a sample edit on the fly just as fast as a pentium 3 machine, and that would still make it old technology, but no the fantom is slow much more likened to a 386 computer...let me see lets compare things, would you rather have hi speed internet or land based dial up? Thats easy isnt it...THE PUBLIC WANTS SPEED...I have to wait for the fantom to perform its calculations for like 2 and 3 minutes on some sample edits made to longer samples...YES I KNOW, drag it to the PC (but this defeats the statement made about...Tik, some of us dont have or want computers) Yeah you cant have it both ways with this machine...
Comparison study scenerio:
I got 50 drum samples to capture for a live HIPHOP or new school Urban album project(which the fantom is marketted at) I wont be snatchin these off no audio cd...I will be grabbin these from vinyl....no ground(i shoulda bought the MV right...no the mv has only one multi effects processor, and does not have the same sounds at all!!!) So I put the thing on autochop...first of all this is way behind...this my friends is NO recycle (standard warning) but it will in 70% of the cases do a good job.(hope this isnt done on a 2 bar loop...i have to seperate samples into half bar loops to get enuf slices on busy material). The fantom is kicking out drum hits tho...wooohooo they have been sliced and put on the pads to construct a kit...which means we are gonna have to do this in 16 sample groups (limit of Fantom) on the comp I used the same amount of time...except I accomplished the wax lift in one run not four...I sliced all 50 with one foul swoop...and added compression...ahhhhh...imported to reason and ready to use whther as a loop or as individual drum elements...and all available at one time. The fantom is still processing the normalization on the first 16 drum hits...NOT GOOD.....and thank God I didnt have to cut these in the fantom because the screen redraw is pathetically underpowered as anybody who scrolls thru a sample can determine on sight...whoa! After reading the example I would hope that just this one thing will shed light on the point I am trying to make...YES the roland fantom x is great in comparison to all other hardware workstations...unless you need a cd burnt, unless you love extremely slow pc cards, unless you wanna save samples on a hardrive, unless you want start markers for vocal or live guitar feeds into the sampler while sequencing...see folks I would like to see a piece of hardware that is on PAR with software...not battling the motif which was already 1.5 years old...LMAO, I certainly hope it could be beaten.
~TiK
Life is What you Pay for
and...
who uses those vocal clips anyways..that ish is severelly outdated...LMAO...that michael jackson whoop was even in the older drum machines in the dr line HAHAHAHAHAHA
Roland translates into recycled disabled hardware technology
and yes i know the ploy...if you want mv pads buy the mv...man, even if I had that kind of money layin around...NO, that would take up entirelly too much room, plus I would be forced to use MIDI cables from 1970's why doesnt somebody get midi updated?
KILL THE FLOPPY
KILL MIDI
bring on the cd burnin and the bluetooth wireless midi, the technology is there...USE IT...
Life is What you Pay for
Roland translates into recycled disabled hardware technology
and yes i know the ploy...if you want mv pads buy the mv...man, even if I had that kind of money layin around...NO, that would take up entirelly too much room, plus I would be forced to use MIDI cables from 1970's why doesnt somebody get midi updated?
KILL THE FLOPPY
KILL MIDI
bring on the cd burnin and the bluetooth wireless midi, the technology is there...USE IT...
Life is What you Pay for
Re: fantom x OS update WISH LIST
Right!!!!!!, lol your sample collection cost(the numbers you gave) a lot more than the 150 you were willing to pay for a SRX board, or the regular price of 220 new, and you're sure and hell aren't going to get it on a rom. We have a bingo people.
Who used vocal clips, ask the makers of Symphony of Voices.
If you can't appreciate the awesome awe-inspiring sounds of that collection, maybe you should keep to your beat boxes.
Just because you don't want or comprehend doesn't mean everyone else does not. About your first post, wanting the sample streaming from note on, the cd burner, and internal hard drive, advance akai loading....... I have a keyboard that has all those features built in, there are those who rationalize those as not necessary(not me), and much more. Try streaming hdr tracks from the hard drive.
I would also wonder how much you spent on your audio/midi
interface.... Cheap out there and your asking for latency. And In case your wondering, I have a full daw myself with an Aardvark Q10, Sonar4, and a host of plugins(fx only), 2 computers(one desktop at 1gb ram w/P4 2.8, and an Inspirion 9100 with a P4 2.8). No soft synths for me..... why...... they just haven't got the latency down to an acceptable level yet. It's just not stable enough, and it doesn't feel like hardware yet(Korg really has come closest with the Legacy collection). Ever play out with your wimpy powerbook, it's power starved. You need to upgrade to keep up with current standards
I will agree with you on many things actually. Hardware manufacturers do need to catch up in some respects, but now isn't the worst time. Soon, with the advent of PCI express, audio/midi interfaces of tomorrow will be as fast as hardware synths on latency and such(faster probably).
At that point, software would be released from a lot of the restraints that computers have. Your powerbook, is not gonna cut that any more than my current pcs.(although I can get 1.5-2.0 ms latecy depending on if I'm asio/awdm). Pretty soon, it's gonna be a much bigger fight for hardware, that's why you see Korg with the Legacy, Yamaha offering waves plugins in their new mixer upgrades.
Who used vocal clips, ask the makers of Symphony of Voices.
If you can't appreciate the awesome awe-inspiring sounds of that collection, maybe you should keep to your beat boxes.
Just because you don't want or comprehend doesn't mean everyone else does not. About your first post, wanting the sample streaming from note on, the cd burner, and internal hard drive, advance akai loading....... I have a keyboard that has all those features built in, there are those who rationalize those as not necessary(not me), and much more. Try streaming hdr tracks from the hard drive.
I would also wonder how much you spent on your audio/midi
interface.... Cheap out there and your asking for latency. And In case your wondering, I have a full daw myself with an Aardvark Q10, Sonar4, and a host of plugins(fx only), 2 computers(one desktop at 1gb ram w/P4 2.8, and an Inspirion 9100 with a P4 2.8). No soft synths for me..... why...... they just haven't got the latency down to an acceptable level yet. It's just not stable enough, and it doesn't feel like hardware yet(Korg really has come closest with the Legacy collection). Ever play out with your wimpy powerbook, it's power starved. You need to upgrade to keep up with current standards
I will agree with you on many things actually. Hardware manufacturers do need to catch up in some respects, but now isn't the worst time. Soon, with the advent of PCI express, audio/midi interfaces of tomorrow will be as fast as hardware synths on latency and such(faster probably).
At that point, software would be released from a lot of the restraints that computers have. Your powerbook, is not gonna cut that any more than my current pcs.(although I can get 1.5-2.0 ms latecy depending on if I'm asio/awdm). Pretty soon, it's gonna be a much bigger fight for hardware, that's why you see Korg with the Legacy, Yamaha offering waves plugins in their new mixer upgrades.