Surely this means there'll be something to announce at Anaheim next month?
New Fantom For NAMM?
New Fantom For NAMM?
Over here in the UK, Roland have suddenly announced a deal that with every new Fantom X bought, you'll get FOUR SRX cards with it for free! Two of them are the "mini" SRX Jon Lord Organ and Analog cards, but the other 2 are full blown ones. Effectively knocking nearly £350 off the price.
Surely this means there'll be something to announce at Anaheim next month?
Surely this means there'll be something to announce at Anaheim next month?
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Cool, than I'm about about to get me a bargain!
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It's all speculation, hope and disappointment.
Not really worth the effort.
They can't offer any sonic revolution, because there is none.
Perhaps that's frustrating for them as well.
Their sleepy Japanese managers have not proved hip enough to react to lots of substantial musicians' usability and function requests, especially over the past years. They did a bit here and there, but can you detect any basic effort to get things to a higher level together with their customers? And their customers have learnt the lesson and ceased giving constructive feedback.
The most important recent innovation for the FantomX did not come from the Japanese management, but from a small German software house: the YASE sample editor, without which the FantomX sampling features are not worth a fifth of what they are now. To me and others the Fantom has only become a useable sampling tool since YASE. Similar counts for other important tools by people like Perpextor, and for communication by people like Artemio.
What has Roland Japan contributed to all that?
Close to nothing?
And do they give substantial support to those who keep their business alive, while they themselves fail to do that job?
Could it be that they have become music business bureaucrats who are more involved in guarding their own status in a famous company and the appearance saving of every section, than in any serious effort to keep Roland gear up to the actual technology and demandments of their buyers?
We better just forget about them and check every five or ten years, if someone from their team has surprisingly fallen out of sleep all of a sudden and developed anything substantial after years of brave bureaucrat sleeping beauty silence))
Let's just spend our precious time with making music.
As I said, the present Japanese Roland management seems not worth spending second thoughts on them and all their *not* developed ideas and products.
If they surprise us at Winter Namm 2008 I at least would really be surprised...
Not really worth the effort.
They can't offer any sonic revolution, because there is none.
Perhaps that's frustrating for them as well.
Their sleepy Japanese managers have not proved hip enough to react to lots of substantial musicians' usability and function requests, especially over the past years. They did a bit here and there, but can you detect any basic effort to get things to a higher level together with their customers? And their customers have learnt the lesson and ceased giving constructive feedback.
The most important recent innovation for the FantomX did not come from the Japanese management, but from a small German software house: the YASE sample editor, without which the FantomX sampling features are not worth a fifth of what they are now. To me and others the Fantom has only become a useable sampling tool since YASE. Similar counts for other important tools by people like Perpextor, and for communication by people like Artemio.
What has Roland Japan contributed to all that?
Close to nothing?
And do they give substantial support to those who keep their business alive, while they themselves fail to do that job?
Could it be that they have become music business bureaucrats who are more involved in guarding their own status in a famous company and the appearance saving of every section, than in any serious effort to keep Roland gear up to the actual technology and demandments of their buyers?
We better just forget about them and check every five or ten years, if someone from their team has surprisingly fallen out of sleep all of a sudden and developed anything substantial after years of brave bureaucrat sleeping beauty silence
))Let's just spend our precious time with making music.
As I said, the present Japanese Roland management seems not worth spending second thoughts on them and all their *not* developed ideas and products.
If they surprise us at Winter Namm 2008 I at least would really be surprised...
Let's just spend our precious time with making music.
That exactly what we should be doing..
I mean why are some people waiting for Roland?
and any price drops can only be an indication that Roland are also dropping support for this product and moving to other interests
I mean why are some people waiting for Roland?
and any price drops can only be an indication that Roland are also dropping support for this product and moving to other interests
Re: New Fantom For NAMM?
Jem, the same thing occurred to me when I saw that offer. Also, Fantom X6s were being chopped out at Music Live this year in early November on the Sound Control stand. Similar behaviour in the past has presaged a new, or heavily upgraded, product so that's what I'm expecting. Having said that, I'm quite happy to spend another couple of years or so with my X6 and that part of me dreads the launching of a super new whizz-bang must-have replacement!
John
John
Re: New Fantom For NAMM?
Those who know dont talk.
ps. i really dont know, anyones guess
ps. i really dont know, anyones guess
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In FOX news they just announced that Roland is merging with Yamaha and new workstation name will be "FANTIF"
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1. Make the new Fantom run an OS as sophisticated as Mac OS X or Vista! I mean, if Apple and Microsoft can do it, why can't Roland?!
2. Add the ability to load any sample format, including 100 GB Gigastudio libraries! With zero load time!
3. Add a multipoint touchscreen that's big enough to control everything without using a stylus!
4. Let us add VST plugins! At least five per track, because a Mac Pro or high-end Dell PC can!
5. Ignore all existing patents and licensing agreements; just steal everything from Yamaha, Korg, and Kurzweil! Make sure it's not missing a single feature from any of the competition!
6. The manual needs to walk me through—step by step—every single obscure performance/recording/mixing scenario, AND teach me concepts of MIDI, digital audio, synthesis, mixing, mic placement, and computer integration... yet still be less than 200 pages! Because I'm a musician, not a reader.
7. Uncompressed 48-bit/192k sounds that everyone will love, regardless of their personal tastes or inclinations!
8. Make it so creating a complex, custom layered multisample doesn't take more than two button presses!
9. Give us plugin versions of everything so we can steal Roland synths instead of paying for them!
10. It needs to be upgradable forever so users won't have to give Roland money ever again! Keep adding free OS upgrades to existing products and never divert engineering resources to develop new products or technology!
11. Add a ton of other features we couldn't possibly predict in a million years! We want something REVOLUTIONARY, not EVOLUTIONARY!
Oh, and don't raise the price at all.
2. Add the ability to load any sample format, including 100 GB Gigastudio libraries! With zero load time!
3. Add a multipoint touchscreen that's big enough to control everything without using a stylus!
4. Let us add VST plugins! At least five per track, because a Mac Pro or high-end Dell PC can!
5. Ignore all existing patents and licensing agreements; just steal everything from Yamaha, Korg, and Kurzweil! Make sure it's not missing a single feature from any of the competition!
6. The manual needs to walk me through—step by step—every single obscure performance/recording/mixing scenario, AND teach me concepts of MIDI, digital audio, synthesis, mixing, mic placement, and computer integration... yet still be less than 200 pages! Because I'm a musician, not a reader.
7. Uncompressed 48-bit/192k sounds that everyone will love, regardless of their personal tastes or inclinations!
8. Make it so creating a complex, custom layered multisample doesn't take more than two button presses!
9. Give us plugin versions of everything so we can steal Roland synths instead of paying for them!
10. It needs to be upgradable forever so users won't have to give Roland money ever again! Keep adding free OS upgrades to existing products and never divert engineering resources to develop new products or technology!
11. Add a ton of other features we couldn't possibly predict in a million years! We want something REVOLUTIONARY, not EVOLUTIONARY!
Oh, and don't raise the price at all.
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Oh, now I understand:
this has been the secret problem of the Roland Japan managers?
Sitting anxiously in their offices, because they think all the wolrd expects them to work miracle workstations at 5$ per unit and pay copyright fees at 1million$ per unit?
And now they are desparately looking at their wands and read Harry Potter for help? And can't develop any substantial improvements any longer, because it's all so incredibly unfair and they don't get over it?
Well, that's another kind of explanation for sure, after years of keeping an originally well done, but meanwhile slightly outdated Fantom X OS - and please don't anyone mention the file system from Commodore 8-bit times or other touchy issues! This could easily lead to another management depression and four more years of waiting which they'll need for recovering from that blow...
We should develop more understanding for their miracle problem blocking creative development))
Let's not talk about it anymore...
this has been the secret problem of the Roland Japan managers?
Sitting anxiously in their offices, because they think all the wolrd expects them to work miracle workstations at 5$ per unit and pay copyright fees at 1million$ per unit?
And now they are desparately looking at their wands and read Harry Potter for help? And can't develop any substantial improvements any longer, because it's all so incredibly unfair and they don't get over it?
Well, that's another kind of explanation for sure, after years of keeping an originally well done, but meanwhile slightly outdated Fantom X OS - and please don't anyone mention the file system from Commodore 8-bit times or other touchy issues! This could easily lead to another management depression and four more years of waiting which they'll need for recovering from that blow...
We should develop more understanding for their miracle problem blocking creative development
)) Let's not talk about it anymore...
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The Audacity Works
I think you miss a few things;
1. Get a sound engineer to mix the samples so they are very close or spot on to how it would sound on a pro record. I know aleast 1 person who's going to say "i mix differently each song, thats what its about, my artistic develope, me me me me"
My reponse to the person in question Yamaha MOTIF!!! nuff said.
2. Add a proper cpu like;
AMD Athlon 64-bit 3700+ Socket 939 Processor CPU.
£30 if that, The boost in MFX Effects EQ per part would, be most welcome
The music industry use crappy CPU'S yet charge us the earth for it.
Imagine your Fantom, with its own basic operating system with a dual core cpu.
3. A LOT MORE RAM, AND NO SHORT CUTS, FORCING YOU TO BUY EXPANSION CARDS
I think you miss a few things;
1. Get a sound engineer to mix the samples so they are very close or spot on to how it would sound on a pro record. I know aleast 1 person who's going to say "i mix differently each song, thats what its about, my artistic develope, me me me me"
My reponse to the person in question Yamaha MOTIF!!! nuff said.
2. Add a proper cpu like;
AMD Athlon 64-bit 3700+ Socket 939 Processor CPU.
£30 if that, The boost in MFX Effects EQ per part would, be most welcome
The music industry use crappy CPU'S yet charge us the earth for it.
Imagine your Fantom, with its own basic operating system with a dual core cpu.
3. A LOT MORE RAM, AND NO SHORT CUTS, FORCING YOU TO BUY EXPANSION CARDS
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I'm about to throw away all my gear and jump over a bridge since I can't wait anymore for the new Fantom and even if I could there will be nothing new :-/
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I am shutting down Roland Clan! There is just no point for any discussions now. This is the end.
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This is the end ... beautiful friends, the end.
Of our synthetic plans, the end.
I'll never hear a lead ... again.
Lost in a Roland, wilderness of sound ...