SRX card sound different on fantoms and G

[tolgay]

I have listened to an SRX-07 card on a Fantom S and Juno G. Maybe it is me but the patches sound a bit different on each keyboard. It sounded better on the fantom S compared to Juno G.

Have you experienced anything like this using the same SRX card on Fantom X, Fantom S and Juno G? Shouldn't the sounds be identical for the same SRX card when played on different keyboards?

thx..

[Diametro]

did you compare side-by-side or from memory?



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Roland Fantom X7, Alesis Fusion 6HD, Novation X/A-Station 25, Alesis Micron

[tolgay]

From memory but within 5 minutes each. And I am very sensitive about the sound.

[squeak_D]

Doesn't the Fantom have a higher quality set of output jacks? Also couldn't the DA converters be a reason for lesser quality? Just a shot in the dark here.

[tompabes]

the two trials were on the same speakers/mixer/headphones etc?

[Matias]

Maybe the Juno-G's DAC and pre-amp are cheaper too!

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Juno-G + SRX-07
Sao Paulo - Brazil

[tolgay]

Yes they were on the same speakers..

[shakil]

did you have exactly same settings for effects and mastering?

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Remember that there are only 3 MFX + 1 Reverb + 1 Chorus in Fantom-S/X and you have to share them across 16 parts (patches) in a song.

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[Philip]

(IMHO) Its hard for me to accept fidelity, clarity, punchiness, and/or general effects would be significantly different, seeing both machines' sound-generators are merely pre-amps.

Quality pre-Amps, sound-cards, etc. ... are not that expensive.

Perhaps Fantom 'audio waves' are generated significantly better (based on Forum postings about using mics in Fantoms vs. my lack-luster results with Juno-G).

SRX patches are complicated patches that are probably tested within Fantoms anyway (not Junos?) and may require different settings for the different sound generators.

Shakil mentioned effect settings: Did you check if the Master Switch was on/off in 'Effects'? 'Boosting' can fool the ear (memory) into thinking 'better'.

Likewise, EQ parameters may be slightly different, and/or compression parameters ... even from fantom to fantom.

Juno pre-amp volume output may be slightly less punchy at certain outputs and/or levels, too.

FYI: SRX-'Analogue Essentials' sounds no better (to me) than my other patches. I just ordered SRX-6 ('Complete Orchestra' at $250 US) because I verily hope (and pray) SRX-6 sounds better on Juno-G.

I'll try to let you know if SRX-6 Rocks on Juno-G when I test it next week.

Philip

[Matias]

Please test the following:

1) Rip a sample of your favorite CD for testing purposes (not pirating!), and load the WAV file on the Fantom-S and in the Juno-G.

2) Compare the output from a CD player and both keyboards.

In this test, if you hear differences in the reproduction, you can assure if the DAC/pre-amps are to blame. If not, than the SRX processing is actually different.

Good luck! And post back the results for us (I'm curious).
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Juno-G + SRX-07
Sao Paulo - Brazil

[tolgay]

OK I finally figured it out after reading the settings feedback from Shakil and Philip.. they were not same..

I tired it after making the settings similar, And the card sounds more or less the same on both keyboards now..

Thanks for the input guys..

[Philip]

Thank you (exceedingly) Tolgay for posting back your second results as I have a lot of hope invested in my G and have greatly relied on thoughts such as yours.