Seperating drums during record out

[Crossover]

is there an easy way to separate kicks, from snares, from hihats ect.. when recording audio out of the Fantom? I layered a Roland drum kit over my sampled kit, but since the Roland kit is all on one track in song mode, once I record out, all of the drums will end up together on one track in ProTools unless I can figure out a way around it. How do you guys seperate sounds for more control during mix down??

[BigBrotherMotown]

Unfortunately my brother, there is no EASY way to do this. I would have been much LESS complicated to just RECORD every drum sound ON IT'S OWN TRACK in the first place. After all you have 24 TRACKS to work with....

I understand however that this could mess up the FLOW for people who like to do their drums all at once.

What you are going to have to do is go to the "track edit" page and select "Change Channel". There you will be able to select which note goes to another channel. Just set the MINIMUM AND THE MAXIMUM for the note you wish to move then select the channel...you will have to do this for EVERY note you wish to move. Then you just have to match the instrument on each channel that you moved stuff to, to the original instrument. that should get you there....

You might see why it's just easier imo to just SEPERATE from the very beginning..

Hope this helps....

PEACE
Sean G

[Project]

press effects. press the kicks key (C2 on most ryhthm parts).
'Key' should say C2
under that change out assign to 3 (output B left jack)
press the snares key
change out assign to 4 (output B right jack)


and so on...

to bad the digital outputs are not the same bus as A.

[Crossover]

So far as I can tell, a song contains 16 tracks, each with a patch assigned to it.
Is the a way to record multiple seperate takes beneath that track/patch? For instance track 10 is one of my drum tracks. There are sounds in that track should have been recorded seperately to a seperate "track" but can I record another take with just snare without going to say track 11 and setting up the same drumpatch? I only have 16tracks so there must be a way to record "underneath" each track for multiple takes. Otherwise I will run out of tracks quickly. I can fill 10 or more tracks easily with just drum hits, I need to keep as many tracks free as possible for my other synths and instruments.

[ldiles_]

the way i do this is by going to EDIT from the mixer, hitting a pad, then turning off the samples on that pad. i isolate one sound and record it, then switch it around for the next sound.

[cmeproductions]

Dont lisen to these uncreative dudes who say their is no easy way, say u got a Kick on C, Snare on note G, hat on note E, in the patch edit page got to and some where on the output page there is a output/tone level turn it all the way down for the notes u are not recording at the time OR....copy the track to an empty track and delete all the unneccessary notes.

[hi-tech]

24 tracks? Which fantom you have?

edit - my mistake - the 8 audio tracks. But i doubt he is talking about seperating audio just midi - so just 16 tracks.

Cross - are you exporting to another sequencer? Like protools, sonar etc...? I do my seperation in the external sequencer. Bounce the entire midi track then select and solo notes in the ext. seq, then record each audio track.

On the X itself, you can use the Extract - just select the midi note and extract to an available track. I do this sometimes also.

Just try to avoid piling up to many hits in one track or finding individual notes afterwards is a pain.


If you want to seperate the hits in the beginning just before you record:

Say your on track 10/channel 10, and you hit record, it will automatically choose track 10 to record. However you can select another track before you actually press play(or other 'count in' mode) to start recording. It will record the midi notes on say track 11, but they will still only play channel 10. Check the faqs for more info.

[Crossover]

Damn, I am used to my MPC and where I have 128 tracks to record on for each sequence/pattern!! So the Fantom gets 16 and that's it? Thanks everybody for answering, there seems like quite a few ways to skin this cat. I like the idea of recording the midi out to Protools, seperating drums, then recording audio back in afterwards. I will run it this way.

Question for Hi-tech and anyone else who works with his method: do you usually spend a lot of time sequencing in the Fantom, or since you run Midi outs to your external sequencer, do you genereraly just "get started" in the Fantom and then sequence in and arraign in your external seqeuncer?


Also do you guys prefer working with Pattern Mode over Song Mode to drop beat ideas quickly when you start in the Fantom?

[mason00]

Hi-Tech: "Bounce the entire midi track then select and solo notes in the ext. seq, then record each audio track."

I'm trying to do this using the X8 and Pro Tools 7 LE

What are the steps to accomplish this? I alot of people like myself can import the .mid file into Pro Tools, but then getting it to play back with sound seems to be the problem.

What are the settings you have to do to accomplish this procedure of bouncing the track to midi from the X8 into Pro Tools and then successfully recording each percussion sound to a seperate audio track?

Thanks and great help with the suggestions for getting these beat techniques completed efficiently.

[Crossover]

mason-
1)make sure you have your Fantom set up correctly in the Audio/Midi setup page. Once this is correct set up, your Fantom and each of it's channels will show up in the input and output section for your Midi tracks.
2)in PT create 16 midi tracks
3)set the inputs of these tracks to Fantom 1-16
4)set correct tempo in PT
5)in Protools: set up midi beat clock/mmc for Fantom
6)in Fantom: set up "slave midi" and receive mmc under Menu/System
7)arm all midi tracks in PT to record
8)hit record

[mason00]

Crossover / Hi-tech / or anyone else:

I would need the exact steps of setting up the X8 for Midi and Pro Tools for Midi. That's the nitty gritty part that is tricky. A step by step similar to your (Crossovers) previous post would be prefect.

Regards

[mason00]

bump bump bump

[hi-tech]

Sometimes I start off on the fantom, get a basic sequence in her and build up to a song. If i feel i need some additional synths/gear not in the fantom, I bounce what I have into ext sequencer, and sync them up. I may either bounce the audio with it or just make the ext seq play the fantom, since I already bounecd the midi file. Other times I start off in the ext seqencer.

I can go either way with pattern seq or linear seq. Depends on my mood or how complex my change ups are.

Mason, cross's post is pretty much sums up how you would go about syncing up with ProTools, what steps are you missing? May help to read the midi sync section on the manual(s). I'm not in front of the fantom now so can't go through the menu's just yet.

[Crossover]

Hi-tech: when you say bounce the midi I assume you mean manually record it like I have been doing it, rather than exchanging midi files through your computer via drag and drop right? Thanks for the answer by the way. It's interesting to find out how other producers are using the machine. If anybody has any unique ways of setting up between the Fantom and a computer sequencer please let us know, it's great info, very interesting I think.

Mason: I didn't respond earlier because I spent time and laid out a list of tasks that you needed to follow in order to get your midi running. The details of how to accomplish those tasks is thoroughly covered in the documentation of both Fantom and Protools. Please read a bit. It seems like your being a kinda lazy waiting days for someone to describe which specific buttons to push to open up a "Menu" screen ect... You gotta open up your book or pdf file and read or else you'll never figure out how to do much in either platform. best of luck

[mason00]

No doubt Crossover, I feel you all that way. I gotta do some more reading of the manuals on both the X8 and Pro Tools 7 in regards to Midi for my own benefit in the long term

Ya ya...lol....I'd love to get that easy step by step guide...but yes, it's probably better if I just play around, read up and figure things out and then be able to create that step by step guide myself to configure and use Midi perfectly between the X8 and Pro Tools 7