Where can I find the best drum sounds for my Fantom?

[epu]

I'm looking for some in your face, hard, cut through mix drums to use on my Fantom - Preferably from an SRX card. I already have the Hip-Hop and Techno cards for my XV5080, and I'm not too fond of the drums.

I've heard that the SRX 05s drums are better, sound more modern, and are more expressive. I'm looking to do Hip-Hpp and R&B. Can any SRX05 owners give me their opinions? It doesnt seemt to be a popular board amongst you users.

[Jost]

I've got the 'Supreme Dance' and I love it - its punchy, clean and articulated. It got all the TR's and heaps of other electronic drums.

If you are into Hip-Hop and R&B and you want the best drum sounds than 'Supreme Dance' is the way to go.

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[udo]

your question is much too general, epu.
what do you mean by modern hip hop? scott storch, lil jon, kanye west?
let me know what you are looking for exactly.

are you using the fantom's mastering section?

try the following:

first get a drum groove going with some drum sounds that you like.
then, go to the mastering effects section, press the user tab.
make these settings for the hi, mid and lo bands:

attack 30
release 69
threshold 0
ratio 8:1

now use the level controls to boost the mid/lo freqs.

your drums should hit at least twice as hard now.

of course this just a general starting point. play around and check out what sounds best to you.

[8poundstar]

Good Tips, but another thing to think about, instead of spending loot on a srx..

While the drum sounds in the X, may seem iffy at first, don't just write them off. Think of it as buying a new radio for a car, are you going to just leave the preset stations on or are you going to program your own, or even better just throw in a cd... Anyways, enough analogies but its true...

Imo opinion, first thing to do, is just set up your own Drumkits, there are hundreds of drum sounds on the X included, and true they may sound iffy, and not punchy at first, thats where the fun comes in. Combining drum hits can actually make the drums on this machine fierce and huge sounding. If a crunchy kick, doesnt have enough boom layer it with an 808, simple stuff. Also since your dealing with hip hop, remember that lowfi and compression are your friends (to an extent). Then theres resampling, and blamo (frees up the mfx). It takes time, but since its saved me from buying an srx yet, I'm fine with that...

Also, not sure if you do it, but for less then an srx, you can pick up vinyl records, a record player, and a mixer. Then sample the drums from the records.. Its an artform really, but honestly it allows for "breaking out of the norm" that comes with presets and srxs, plus it may give you a certain sound (i.e 9th wonder is known for having a similar snare in alot of his work, its part of his sound)...

But yeah I haven't spent the money on any Srxs yet, but these are a few alternatives (Since it is a sampler/rompler, get the most out of it).

Me myself, I'm waiting for some new srxs before I spend more...

sorry to deviate, not sure if I helped or ranted..

happy holidays

[lelo]

http://www.p5audio.com/Production_Toolz.php This site is ggreat for what your looking for. There current and fresh and some of the samples are mixed on the SSL board.

[loniblaze]

8poundstar wrote...

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That is a good tip! I am having fun with this.

I combined:
rock kit2
808 (twice)
hip hop 2 (twice)

and added fx and I am LOVING IT!!!!

[epu]

The Supreme Dance board is phenomonal. I wish a board like this was available in 1998 when I bought my first Roland XP60 (Father of the XV and Fantom). In additon to already having the SRX1 Board for my XR and the Hip-Hop, Bass & Drums and Techno boards for my XV (migrated from the XP60). I'm somewhat overwhelmed by all of the sounds available.

The clincher - The drum sounds are great, you have 113 kicks and 133 snares. The funny thing is, as mentioned, the drums sound BEST in the supplied KITS which combine waveforms. By THEMSELVES in the Kick/Snare menus, they sound okay at best.

Here's my debacle - I've created about 7 albums worth of material. Excellent songs, completely arranged and recorded (many using sequences created on my XV and XR). The songs are all great, but the comment I usually get are that the drums sound excellent in terms of arranging, but weak considering I'm gearing my stuff towards the Hip-Hop/Pop market.

I'm not really interested in combining hits since I spent years coming up with my own customized kits (mainly coming from the SRJV Hip-Hop board). So my question is, what can I do to make my existing stuff sound great (I may actually sell the SRX, not because I dont like it, but I'm already gearing up to release material and already have my OWN sound).

I saw some mentioning of compressor settings. For the whole kit? Individual parts? I'm not sure. Can I get some advice.

Thanks So Much,
epu

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[sambasevam]

As someone here mentioned, layering drums can get some new sounds, but be careful as to not to "overload" your drum track. That is, too many layers will make it sound more like chaos (good or bad depends how you look at it )

One more tip would be to create your own drum kit. And in this kit, use more than one tone for layering. Use panning, effects, etc. The Lo-Fi compressor is a damn good one. I've used it for DnB with good results.

Another thing is resample. Resample and tweak till the cows come home.



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[loniblaze]

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can you elaborate more?

[sambasevam]

What i meant is, you can layer more than one tone. Ex : layer Kick 1 and Kick 2, pan them slightly and select stereo tones. Dont overdo them though.

The Lo-fi comp is an effect and when used with drums, it really adds that lo-fi punch if you will.

Resampling : in sample mode, you can resample stuff. Do this and add effects/tweak the filters/pitch/whatever and resample again, and so forth.



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[loniblaze]

Interesting. Thanks.

[dkpcola]

One method to pump up the bass of a drum sound, without making it loud, is it to layer the original sound with ARPSineHD wave and down octave shift to 20+ semitones. This will give that subwoofer pumping effect but original drum sound is not that changed.

[8poundstar]

^^^

very good tip. I use my own wave, that I made in soundforge for the same thing.. Just a basic deep sine with specific freqs...

[Vertigo!]

What you also can do is the following:

1.Resample your finished drum track, (or record them to an audio track)
make sure its not pre, or post the original beat= 100% in sync!

2. Compress the heck out of the "new" recorded kit, up to -15 or even more if it sounds good. do some +4 to 6db eq around 100hz and again around 10-12000khz.
3. Turn down the compressed track, and then gradually pull the fader up until it sounds FAT enough(aroung-6-12 db under the original track!)

This is a known studio trick to make the drums sound fatter!

If you have a good converter in your DAW rigg, you can also do the compression there, with maybe some URS comp/Waves plugin that will give you a much cooler sound than the comp in your Fantom.

Also blend in the bass if you want it to sit better with the kick.

Using your daw (Pro Tools/Cubase etc) to process sounds with better plugins, or great outboard equipment, and then transfering them to your Fantom is a perfect way to make sure you have "your" sound when using the Fantom for composition purposes, or live playing!

KK