can this be done on an X8?

[Phogaboam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSKP3E5w3bo


Can this be done with a fantom X without pre-recording and without a looping station?

[Phogaboam]

Parhaps a better question is "How do I do this kind of thing?"
I'm already doing similar stuff, but one track at a time that I pre-record.

[rcraven]

I hope you don't think he is doing this in real time.
Check the multiple camera angles, video edits, multiple voice overdubs that we don't see him laying down or playing the samples.

Most likely it is multitracked and he is miming. He could be playing part of it but I don't know how he would have synced some of the tracks that just come in. Looks lkike a single camera shoot so it is record ,stop , go ,stop, go.....

Nice track, but a single real time performance I don' t think so.

If you weren't thinking that it was real time then the answer is perhaps yes as you don't need a loop station. Loops can be done in audio samples or midi patterns. You can even trigger them using RPS.
The audio can be sampled or layered in audio tracks
The drums can be played on the pads

But without multitracking then no, but then again neither can he.

[realconcept]

Although I highly doubt this was done realtime, I noticed that he was using a midi foot controler (either Roland or behringer) so maybe he is trigering some samples and controlling a multitrack sequencer of some sort. He also seem to have a lot of equipment in his rack (I think I saw two Fantom-XR) so he might be able to do this (after hours of programming) in real time. But I think you must be crazy to program all this in advance to finally be able to play it live! So he must have done this step by step like rcraven was mentionning.

[johnnykeys1978]

I really rate this. Its among the best youtube vids I've seen.

Thanks for putting it out there

[johnnykeys1978]

Ok I've had some communication with this fellow.

He uses "Mobius", a free looping program. The program is a software attempt to directly emulate the functions of the "echoplex plus", a rack-mounted looper unit.

The good news is that as a looping tool, its an extremely powerful program, so flexible. That flexibility makes it somewhat difficult to setup however - especially for hands free use.

After downloading mobius and spending a few days melting my brain getting it going, I am able to make a conclusion.
I'm not posting to contradict anyone here, no, its more about acknowledgement. Although I can't prove it, I would bet my fantom that this is NOT mimed in any way, and it IS done real time, with the looper.

Everything in the track can be seen laid down. Watch carefully What we are seeing here is genius at work... IMO.

Even if it wasn't such a great track (which it is, but thats not relevant) this is a feat in the use of music technology. Although looping has been around for years, this shows some of the potential of more modern looping techniques. And what a potential! It may be a while off yet, but I can see this type of live performing becoming more mainstream.

As i posted before, THANKYOU for showing me this, I'm now a loop addict
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[dbijoux]

Yeah, someone discounted it before actually watching the video. If anyone clicked through they'd seen he's looperdude. Also, if you pay closer attention you can clearly see the multiple camera angles, plus you don't edit cuts at 1000fps seamlessly without them.

Enjoy the looping adventures! Thanks for the tip.

[jcp]

I don't if this can be done with a Fantom X8, but great work buddy!

[da-man]

Ok it is cool except for the scooby do schoo boops. Don't know how that fits in. But hey the piece has a real presence and to think it is built out of short loops.

I have a TD3 drum kit but there aren't any kits that have that kind of presence. I wonder what he is using there.

Anyway Johnnykeys u need to do some stuff with this guy and start touring.

And while you could possibly engineer something similiar with an x8 using patterns and rps you would have to have it programmed ready with the samples all ready made..... it is much easier with looping software.

[smith570]

Anyone think he realizes he ripped off part of the song "Lady" by Styx? Same key and everything.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR4if4ble1A

[Phogaboam]

I don't think that qualifies as ripping. I write a bit of music. The other day I wrote a song, and it was really good. Then I kept thinking, man, it just sounds familiar...then it hit me. For four measures near the end of the first verse, I wrote the same chord progression and very similar melody (but in a different key, but I don't think that matters) to a James Taylor song that I'd not heard in five years. First I thought, ah, scrap it. Then I thought, without even thinking of that song, I came to the same conclusions and compositional decisions as songwriter whom I highly respect. It would be a tragedy to say "nah, scrap it, that sounds like James Taylor's 'Carolina' for 10 seconds."

While I see many similarities between the stix song and brainchild, to call that ripping...I can't really respect that. I don't think we should live our lives in fear of inspiration. Inspiration is about the best thing around, and a natural response that helps us learn. To only compose music that does not sound like other, good musicians is to lead us down a path of expanding mediocrity. For what? To avoid "hey, you ripped of that song by __________." ...where does that lead us? To musical oblivion.

There are millions of songs that only use three chords. I'm willing to bet that if you did an in depth analysis of songs that contain similar chord progressions, you will find very similar melodies and rhythmic patterns. Why? Because the chord progressions (and the confines of quality) place great restraint on melody, and the confines of popular music place great restraint on acceptable rhythm patterns.

Further, even if he said to himself 'I wonder if I can make a cool version of that stix song,' it still takes nothing away from what he's been able to accomplish.

[johnnykeys1978]

I guess this piece is going deep into that grey area of 'originality'
It does sound very close to "Lady". I'm not even going to try to defend it.

I appreciate this more cos he uses the looper so crazily damn well!

"Anyway Johnnykeys u need to do some stuff with this guy and start touring"

Thanx da-man... I thought that myself! but this fellow and I live on opposite sides of the world... OT: Is internet jamming working yet? last time I checked it was still too laggy.

Peace

[johnnykeys1978]

Hi everyone!

Well it was 7 months ago that this thread inspired me the potential of software looping.

After all that time, here is my first result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biG87HSV404