would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

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luislobo
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Re: would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

Post by luislobo »

I'm new around here and probably I'll get a kick in the but if I make a fuss, but I couldn't resist.

There is a success example of a forum providing information to roland about bugs, throughout 3 OS releases, it originally started for Roland G-70 (sorry for the recurring reference :)) and now is handling bugs of the new E-* series of workstations. I had the honor to participate with some bugs, that I have seen solved.

The original page is:
http://www.selskabsmusikeren.dk/
(The forum is: http://www.selskabsmusikeren.dk/index.p ... &Itemid=60)

The new page is:
http://www.roland-arranger.com/

Since I sold my G-70 and bought a Fantom-X8 I stopped going there, but the founder (Søren Weiss Hansen) did a good job.

By the way, I love my fantom-x and if posting here would call the attention of roland (like they did there) I would be proud to give my contribute.

Regards,
LL
The Audacity Works
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Re: would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

Post by The Audacity Works »

"not a bug, but my biggest gripe was the lack of thrid party sample support. Roland sold the fantom with having the ability to import Akai and Roland S7* samples. This never materialised."

The Sample Conversion software (part of the 2.0 Editor) works fine here.
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Re: would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

Post by Jimknopf »

Sorry, don't want to jump on you, but have to ask:
Would you love to import Akai samples with those raw Roland tools? ;-)

Or would you prefer working with a sample tool like Yase which seems much more suited for getting the job done in an acceptable way and amount of time, like I do? The very welcome(!) sample upgrade was one of the things where I had expected Roland to go the whole way after making a nice step in the right direction.

Instead they left the package at a stage of low practical value for most users, with bad programmed things like the well known clumsy sample number referencing, and not at all solving the problem of completely unacceptable sample loading times for the space provided (not speaking the overall missing usablity just mentioned) ...

Yase solved some of the biggest problems of this rather strange and inconvenient sample handling, which Roland had left to their customers and which received public critical reviews for good reasons. We are living in Kontakt age, and even if you can only get fundamental functions of modern samplers into a still rather DOS like Fantom OS, you should at least provide what is possible (or offer massive support to anyone developing such software like Yase)...
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Quinnx.
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Post by Quinnx. »

I have been on to roland uk this morning to follow up on the original post..
they say their poduct manager is in japan and have fowarded all these concern to him to bring up while he is there.
hopefully i will get a positive update soon..
I have also asked that bugs from the Vsynth range are also addressed..
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I second quinxx in the fact that, with some implementations (filesystem above all) the F-X OS could be made to perform much better right now.
Roland, in fact, since one year seems to have shut down completely the support for this otherwise good WS, which is really a shame and a reason for me to blame them.
For this reason, even if i would be interested in buying a fantom G, i won't do that, because i don't like the idea to be marooned again by Roland regarding the support for their flagship keyboards.
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Post by Tiger Fleetwood »

I second that motion MAG.
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I wish would be to have an upgrade and fix to the RPS bug problem. Just my 2 cents worth of input.
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Re: would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

Post by chubbylove »

solitary man I have had the exact bug with the out of tune problem you have had. when I call Rolandus they tell me they have never heard of that and they dont know what Im talking about . really man they dont care. well I think they care but there hands are tied. these instruments come over from japan and they pass all their problems off to the dealer to worry about. thats why art is mad because he works for roland and he knows in the end these bugs are here to stay and arent going to be addressed . so I guess art while seeming arogant and rude to Quinnx is probably just saving him alot of time and frustration. Quinnx I admire your effort but dont sweat the small s*** just sell your fantom you will be alot happier. Im in the same boat I got my main board replaced by roland its been back three times for the same problems and Roland has told me Im the problem. Ive just given up just use what does work on your fantom and keep on rolling .................


Peace,

Chubby
smurf
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Don't be in a hurry to buy the Fantom G...

Post by smurf »

I empathize with all of you who own a Fantom X and feel that Roland hasn't substantially taken action on your bug concerns. Verifiable bugs (and there are a few on the X) should be dealt with in a swift and effective manner in my opinion. But alas, Roland is releasing a new workstation in a couple months (maybe ;) ) and my fear is that Roland will abandon any further OS revisions on the X as a result. I would like to feel differently about it but Roland has shown a general lack of interest in resolving these issues with the X in my opinion and with the new Fantom G waiting in the wings it doesn't look good for Fantom X owners so far as Roland putting any more R&D in to fixing any of the current Fantom X issues, bugs, etc.

I don't think it has anything to do with Roland U.S. personnel either. I have called Roland Tech a few times and each time the guys I spoke with were very helpful and supportive and also pleasant in their attitude and demeanor. I can say the same thing about Yammie support also. Owning both Yamaha and Roland gear I can unequivocally attest to the fact that both Roland and Yamaha U.S. offer very decent and supportive help.

Unfortunately, the problem lies squarely on the shoulders of the owners of the two companies that are headquartered on a small island in the western Pacific half way around the world i.e. Japan. ;) Let's face it. The engineers and those in authority at Roland Japan have the final say about anything getting done.. period. We hope they would see our plight and take some form of pity on us, and the truth is, we are at their mercy to support the products that they market to us consumers. If they won't hear our pleas and resolve the problem(s) there is nothing we, or anyone else, can do.. period! I've experienced the same frustration with Yamaha also. My $3,000 dollar keyboard got left in the dust the moment (actually about 16 months or so prior ;) to the release of the successor to my keyboard. I've come to the conclusion that it is buyer beware and therefore we can't assume that any company who sells updatable products will actually follow through and update them, at least to the degree that we expect anyway. :( So if you can't live with what Roland delivers fresh from the factory don't assume they will fix any (let alone every) ;) 'verifiable' bug encountered. You hope they do and you plead your case to them but afterwards it is in their hands and you just hope they take action and continue to support their products and live up to your expectations. If they don't you are left with two choices. Make do with what you have or sell it to some unsuspecting person. Image lol And if you aren't satisfied, there are a host of other companies out there that are beckoning for your business. >> Just make sure you pick one that has a relatively good track record on supporting and updating their products, and that do it on an ongoing, consistent basis - even when the product is considered "archival". :)

BTW, I am in no way trying to portray Roland in a negative way. They are a great company who make equally great musical gear. I am thrilled with my Roland Sonic Cell PRO and I am looking forward to Roland fully supporting it in the foreseeable future. I also expect the Fantom G to be a smash hit and I look at the delay in Fantom G sound demos as similar to what Yamaha encountered with the Motif XS. The OS on the Motif XS was not complete when they released it at last years winter NAMM and there was a few weeks delay in getting sound demos posted, especially solo instrument demos. But when Yamaha finally delivered they didn't disappoint. ;)

I expect the same result with the upcoming Fantom G demos also. Image Time will tell...
The_Magus
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Re: would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

Post by The_Magus »

Whatever the case, i won't buy a fantom G in the very moment
that's clear that roland simply dind't care in solving the obvious
bugs/poorly implemented stuff such as filesystem (that is, the more blatant) on the F-x .
They dind't care at all, even in considering to release another
pay upgrade.
So, given the fact that the G also will face, for sure, bugs and poor implementations here and there, why i should pay money to buy it, only to see those flaws not solved (even with a pay upgrade) after two or three years ?
As long as our WS become more similar to computer (OS, hardware) , it's obvious that companies should put much more
care and resources about the OS support in the long run.
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Quinnx.
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Im just waiting on my chance to test one of these G`s for all the previous bugs of the X.
Im realy expecting to see all of them becuase roland keep using the same code over and over.
Same with the V range
all 3 have the same bugs including the GT and thats 3 generations of the V.
What does that tell you about rolands reliability to fix bugs or supoprt there own products!??
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Re: would you like the bugs fixed for the fantom?

Post by Solitary man »

Hey Quinnx,
I can't wait to see what you find in the new Fantom G. If anyone can find a bug in the system it's you!

Seriously though it will definately be interesting to see if Roland have fixed or improved bugs that are on the X in the new G.

I have seen the Fantom G advertised at GAK for £1600 for a Fantom G6. The Fantom X6 is now down to £1169.

Like others have said I can't see the fantom G being bugless and I'm nor putting a downer on it just being realistic.


Hey chubbylove,
I see you have encountered the pitchbend bug when recording patterns, its a pain at first but you soon get used to it.

Has anyone noticed the the sequencer time, in pattern mode, seems to be outta time when I play a pattern back I have just recorded. Doesn't always happen but still disconcerting all the same.
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