I was just in a middle of a project today when a message suddenly popped up on the screen of my Fantom G6; song full!
I cant understand this...I have only used about thirty tracks in a 6 minutes long song, and many of the tracks are not even half full. Can this really be normal, or is it something wrong with my Fantom?
I have installed a 512 MB DIMM memory, and the internal memory is empty as far as I know, except from one song.
Is it any possibility that I can continue on this project anyway, for example by burning a CD with the half finished project, and then recording it to an audio track? And then go on recording into Midi and audio tracks the usual way? Or would the Fantom recognize and count the signal bits as before?
Song full!
Re: Song full!
You must save all the project in a USB penn (with 'save as'). This is a problem which has many posts is this forum.
Re: Song full!
And then I can load it into one track again and continue?
I have already saved it as Save project as``, but is there another way of saving then, that will allow me to continue adding music to the project?
I have already saved it as Save project as``, but is there another way of saving then, that will allow me to continue adding music to the project?
Re: Song full!
supergod: No matter if you have a DIMM installed, this is only temporary memory for loading samples and audio tracks. In order to SAVE this kind of data for future loading, the use of a USB stick is needed. Even when you see the "Memory full!" message, put a TESTED * * * USB stick into your Fantom-G and use the "Project->Save As" command. Pick a name for your project and press OK.
***: This means that the USB stick can save samples. The USB stick must be compatible with the Fantom-G in order to be able to save samples and audio tracks. Otherwise, you'll lose everything.
***: This means that the USB stick can save samples. The USB stick must be compatible with the Fantom-G in order to be able to save samples and audio tracks. Otherwise, you'll lose everything.
Re: Song full!
thanx cyclops...i did just that, but i think i have used all the available tones accessible in one single project?
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super...
Let's see if we can identify the proble.
Start with answers to the following:
1. Out of the 30 tracks, how many MIDI and Audio tracks are you using in this song?
2. How many songs are in the current project?
3. Where is the current project saved?
4. Are you using any external sound modules? Since you have 30 tracks, and there are only 16 internal midi parts.
Let's see if we can identify the proble.
Start with answers to the following:
1. Out of the 30 tracks, how many MIDI and Audio tracks are you using in this song?
2. How many songs are in the current project?
3. Where is the current project saved?
4. Are you using any external sound modules? Since you have 30 tracks, and there are only 16 internal midi parts.
Re: Song full!
Shakil.
1. 24 midi and 6 audio tracks
2. only one song
3.its saved in a USB memory stick, a Kingston 4GB.
4. Yes, i have connected a Roland G70 that I have imported some sounds from and played in the project.
I think the USB is ok, there is probably something with the internal memory, because the recording stopped in the middle of the project, and the message said song full.
I have also used some very rich and dynamic presets that i think require a lot of bits...
1. 24 midi and 6 audio tracks
2. only one song
3.its saved in a USB memory stick, a Kingston 4GB.
4. Yes, i have connected a Roland G70 that I have imported some sounds from and played in the project.
I think the USB is ok, there is probably something with the internal memory, because the recording stopped in the middle of the project, and the message said song full.
I have also used some very rich and dynamic presets that i think require a lot of bits...
Re: Song full!
super...
follow up:
Do you have any samples loaded into memory?
6 stereo audio tracks.... I think that's the issue right there....
6 stereo audio tracks , about 6 minutes long will take 720MB RAM.... and that's what's running out of memory.. you only have 512 MB RAM installed. Remember that the audio tracks take RAM, they are not like regular audio workstation.
I have been telling people, Fantom-G is not replacement of your audio workstation....
You could take out the 512MB RAM chip, and install a 1GB RAM chip. That will give you a total of 102 minutes of stereo audio.... including samples, audio tracks combined...
So, for 6 minutes song, you could have 12 tracks of about 6 minutes long audio ... if you don't have 'any' samples loaded in the project.
Also, note that you need as much free memory as your sample that's being edited...
Let's say you have a 2 minutes long audio track that you want to modify.... you need at least 40 MB free ram.. The editing of audio is done in RAM.
Once the memory is full, any more recording and editing of audio is not possible.
In this case what you have to do is to mix down the audio tracks on computer to a stereo wave file by muting all of the MIDI tracks on Fantom-G. You won't be able to do it on Fantom-G as the RAM memory is full.
Start a new project by 'Save As' in Fantom-G.
Load your song.
Delete all of the Audio Tracks from song.
Save the song. Write>Song.
Go to sample List. Select all samples and delete. (All samples for the song's audio track. If you are using other samples, don't delete them)
Save the project.
Reload the project. Make sure the sample list is empty.
Import the mixed down wave file from computer to Fantom-G, and load it onto a track.
That will basically take about 120 MB RAM, and you will have room for about 4 more audio tracks of about 5 minutes...
How long is the song?
follow up:
Do you have any samples loaded into memory?
6 stereo audio tracks.... I think that's the issue right there....
6 stereo audio tracks , about 6 minutes long will take 720MB RAM.... and that's what's running out of memory.. you only have 512 MB RAM installed. Remember that the audio tracks take RAM, they are not like regular audio workstation.
I have been telling people, Fantom-G is not replacement of your audio workstation....
You could take out the 512MB RAM chip, and install a 1GB RAM chip. That will give you a total of 102 minutes of stereo audio.... including samples, audio tracks combined...
So, for 6 minutes song, you could have 12 tracks of about 6 minutes long audio ... if you don't have 'any' samples loaded in the project.
Also, note that you need as much free memory as your sample that's being edited...
Let's say you have a 2 minutes long audio track that you want to modify.... you need at least 40 MB free ram.. The editing of audio is done in RAM.
Once the memory is full, any more recording and editing of audio is not possible.
In this case what you have to do is to mix down the audio tracks on computer to a stereo wave file by muting all of the MIDI tracks on Fantom-G. You won't be able to do it on Fantom-G as the RAM memory is full.
Start a new project by 'Save As' in Fantom-G.
Load your song.
Delete all of the Audio Tracks from song.
Save the song. Write>Song.
Go to sample List. Select all samples and delete. (All samples for the song's audio track. If you are using other samples, don't delete them)
Save the project.
Reload the project. Make sure the sample list is empty.
Import the mixed down wave file from computer to Fantom-G, and load it onto a track.
That will basically take about 120 MB RAM, and you will have room for about 4 more audio tracks of about 5 minutes...
How long is the song?
Re: Song full!
supergod: once you load your project, go to Menu->System->Info->Memory Info and see how much RAM and how much USB memory you have available. Maybe you've run out of either or both.
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thanx shakil and cyclops for your help!
I didnt know this about the audio tracks, that they require so much space...hmm guess i have to delete them then and replace them with midi.
Another thing is...I dont understand why the sequencer is full of all these tracks when you cannot use them very much...shouldnt the Fantom have a bigger interrnal memory?
This is very strange for a professional instrument I think.
Myself I like to play and experiment with long and complicated projects full of different tracks, and now I cannot??
But I will try the procedure you described here Shakil, ...only problem is I have never before connected my computer to the Fantom, but we`ll see what happens...
I didnt know this about the audio tracks, that they require so much space...hmm guess i have to delete them then and replace them with midi.
Another thing is...I dont understand why the sequencer is full of all these tracks when you cannot use them very much...shouldnt the Fantom have a bigger interrnal memory?
This is very strange for a professional instrument I think.
Myself I like to play and experiment with long and complicated projects full of different tracks, and now I cannot??
But I will try the procedure you described here Shakil, ...only problem is I have never before connected my computer to the Fantom, but we`ll see what happens...
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If used wisely, it is all good.
For instance. you can have an 4 bar drum loop (audio) repeat 120 times and it would use that 4 bars space in ram, let's say 4 bars stereo uses 2Mb of RAM.
However, if not looping and just have a long audio track you could use up 4bars x 120= 480 bars space in ram, 480x 2Mb = 960Mb thus filling up your ram.
Both would sound 100% the same.
don't waste ram.
For instance. you can have an 4 bar drum loop (audio) repeat 120 times and it would use that 4 bars space in ram, let's say 4 bars stereo uses 2Mb of RAM.
However, if not looping and just have a long audio track you could use up 4bars x 120= 480 bars space in ram, 480x 2Mb = 960Mb thus filling up your ram.
Both would sound 100% the same.
don't waste ram.
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hi thanx for good advice shakil...i just deleted a lot of samples that i dont know how managed to get into the Fantom, because I have never deliberately sampled anything, so but now the DIMM memory is totally empty! Also I erased the project in the internal memory and emptied some other stuff, so now the user memory that was only 13 mb free is now 41 mb free...
i also eradicated all the audio tracks...and after i erased the samples the project now loads in just ten seconds, compared to two -three minutes before! The project doesnt seem to be affected after that all the samples disappeared, so I dont know what these samples were or how they got into the memory...
anyway... now i guess the problem is solved and i can continue recording...again thank you for your help all you guys!
i also eradicated all the audio tracks...and after i erased the samples the project now loads in just ten seconds, compared to two -three minutes before! The project doesnt seem to be affected after that all the samples disappeared, so I dont know what these samples were or how they got into the memory...
anyway... now i guess the problem is solved and i can continue recording...again thank you for your help all you guys!
Re: Song full!
super...
Please read the workshop documents to help you have better understanding of fantom-G available on Roland support website http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc ... arentId=83
Specially read the 'Saving your work' workshop... http://cms.rolandus.com/assets/media/pdf/FGWS04.pdf
Please read the workshop documents to help you have better understanding of fantom-G available on Roland support website http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc ... arentId=83
Specially read the 'Saving your work' workshop... http://cms.rolandus.com/assets/media/pdf/FGWS04.pdf
Re: Song full!
Can you use a faster speed than the 133 recommended by Roland. Can you use a 333, 1Gig for the added DIMM?
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Can you use a faster speed than the 133 recommended by Roland. Can you use a 333, 1Gig for the added DIMM?