Roland Clan Forums

Hi all,

maybe I did not understand how effects work in Live Mode for my patches, I also read in the user manual, but strange things happen...

From time to time I am wondering when I am using patches, for examples with 4 different sounds like: Piano, EP, Strings, Brass and I am trying to modify the effects for each of these sounds.

I understand, and I think when selecting each sound that I can assign a different effect + reverb + chorus on it ???

On some sounds - the first one - I can change the values from the routing screen, for examples to apply more reverb. Fine. Just when I think that sounds great, and I store the Live set, some of these values jump back to the initial level.

Any idea - why this happens - is this a software bug - limitation in the number of parallel effects ?

Cheers,

Alex

Well, this is the effects design limitation we're all talking about. There are two major problems, as you've pointed out:

1) You can't edit each patch's insert effect (this is called PFX) when in Live mode. If you want to make modifications in the effects that each patch carries into the Live set, you'll have to go and edit the patch in Single mode and save it in a new location.
The only effects editing that's done into Live mode is only Chorus and Reverb settings, along with each patch's corresponding send levels.

2) There is no support for alternate effects routing. Each patch is routed in serial into its PFX, then into global Chorus and Reverb. You can't have separate Chorus and Reverb per part.

The only thing we all have to do is wait until Roland people decide to fix the whole effects system somehow in a future OS update.

This really does need fixing. It makes no sense.

As I understand the work-around I need to edit the corresponding preset, f.e. the selected piano sound, change the effect settings concerning my flavour and store the same sound with different effects settings compared to the original preset as a new user piano sound.

this really makes now sense - sorry for comparing with the Motif ES/XS, but there the "Performance Mode" let me do the effect tweaking without the need to waste user instrument storage space.

Would be great if Roland fixes that problem.

Is there a way to request OS features at Roland???

Hi there, can you claridy in live mode how different pfx effects you can have? I'm not worreid about hacing to edit patches but mainly having the different effects on each voice?
Is it one or eight?

yes, the effects routing design needs to be fixed...

cyclops: 2) After the PFX, there are two MFXs that you can use before the Reverb and Chorus.

alex: Motif ES and XS have the same issue as Fantom-G for effects.

Motif ES/XS have something called mix voices and mixing.. You can save your edits to voices, effects and routing with the mixing in pattern and song... You can do the same on Fantom-G in 'SONG' mode only. All edits you do to patches, effects, routing... etc, will be saved with the song, when you perform write/save. This is not true for Live and Studio sets though.

The main issue is that the 16 insert effects are 'tied' to the patches. They should not be tied to the patches, but to the parts in Live, Studio and Song mode. By default, the effects from patches can be loaded, but then we should be free to edit the effects as we need for a particular song 'without having to losing the settings' if we call up a different patch. This is the issue with Fantom-G, Motif ES and XS. This issue is not there in Roland XPs, Fantom S/X, Korg Triton, M3.....


theshinenz: There are 8 PFXs (1 pfx in each patch), 2 MFX shared, 1 Reverb shared, 1 Chorus shared, 1 Master Compressor shared in Live mode.

In Studio/Song there are 16 PFXs (1 pfx in each patch), 2 MFX shared, 1 Reverb shared, 1 Chorus shared, 1 Master Compressor shared.