Whats next synth/workstation
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And 128 arpegiators for the 128 tracks... with chord recognition
Re: Whats next synth/workstation
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im not complaining about what the g lacks im just making the comparason as to waiting for next workstation or getting on with building on what we already have with the g.
building on is far more flexabe and in the long run cheaper.
also because the g is where it is right now, even if you do end up with more gear, the g allows you to take your music to the masses without needing to take all that gear with you.
and since we both agree there will never be the perfect workstation, why wait?
im not complaining about what the g lacks im just making the comparason as to waiting for next workstation or getting on with building on what we already have with the g.
building on is far more flexabe and in the long run cheaper.
also because the g is where it is right now, even if you do end up with more gear, the g allows you to take your music to the masses without needing to take all that gear with you.
and since we both agree there will never be the perfect workstation, why wait?
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i really doubt we will be getting a new workstation anytime soon....but i do expect cakewalk-like software updates for the sequencer.
makes sense, right? firmware upgrades are much less costly for roland.
other then that sRa will delete my post so i can't tell you any more secrets...
makes sense, right? firmware upgrades are much less costly for roland.
other then that sRa will delete my post so i can't tell you any more secrets...
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yep sequencer updates seem a very easy step as long as the programming language for the g is the same as used by cakewalk for sonar. if it is its a no cost update ( well maybe some bespoke graphics programming for the gs screen )
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im not sRa so dont know the details, but i am pretty sure Roland partnered up with cakewalk as their language is compatible...
wish they hooked up with Steinberg though...would've been perfect for me. come to think of it, i haven't even opened the CubaseAI software that came with my CP1. lol
wish they hooked up with Steinberg though...would've been perfect for me. come to think of it, i haven't even opened the CubaseAI software that came with my CP1. lol
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Re: Whats next synth/workstation
As far as I know, Roland and Cakewalk have been partners since 1995, and have cooperated closely on numerous business projects and complimentary product lines.
In 2003, Roland augmented its strategic partnership with Cakewalk by becoming a minor shareholder in the corporation. As a part of that unique relationship, Roland gained exclusive worldwide sales distribution rights, (with the exception of Cakewalk’s USA home territory.)
Roland expanded its commitment to the Cakewalk product line even further when it began bundling Cakewalk software such as Sonar LE with a wide range of Roland/BOSS/Edirol products. In recent years, the two companies co-developed and released innovative recording solutions, including the popular SONAR Power Studio.
Recently, Cakewalk adopted Roland’s REAC technology (Roland Ethernet Audio Communication) to develop the SONAR REAC Recording System—capable of recording up to 40 channels of high quality audio directly input to a PC via an Ethernet port.
Roland Corporation President, Hidekazu Tanaka, relates, “Through this mutually beneficial partnership, both corporations have enjoyed a marked increase in sales and market share. As a logical evolution of our relationship, we have decided to increase our investment in Cakewalk by becoming its major shareholder.”
New products for musicians and professional audio producers will be branded as “Cakewalk by Roland.”
Tanaka commented, “This is an exciting milestone in the relationship between Cakewalk and Roland. Cakewalk products complement a wide range of our products and we see a great future with the plans we have set for our alliance.”
Greg Hendershott, Founder and CEO of Cakewalk, said, “We all look forward to working on new projects we have planned with Roland. Our two companies work well together and our respective customers will benefit from our ongoing collaboration. Roland makes great hardware. Cakewalk makes great software. The combination has the power to make a powerful difference in the world of music and audio creation.”
Mr. Tanaka also related, “Roland and Cakewalk will continue to expand our joint-product line. Together, our companies bring decades of experience in a wide range of music and audio technologies to the table. That breadth of knowledge will enable us to design innovative products which blend hardware and software in a unique and harmonious way that is uniquely Roland. New joint products will expand our business reach, increase markets of music production and illuminate new opportunities defined by our revolutionary new designs.”
sRa
In 2003, Roland augmented its strategic partnership with Cakewalk by becoming a minor shareholder in the corporation. As a part of that unique relationship, Roland gained exclusive worldwide sales distribution rights, (with the exception of Cakewalk’s USA home territory.)
Roland expanded its commitment to the Cakewalk product line even further when it began bundling Cakewalk software such as Sonar LE with a wide range of Roland/BOSS/Edirol products. In recent years, the two companies co-developed and released innovative recording solutions, including the popular SONAR Power Studio.
Recently, Cakewalk adopted Roland’s REAC technology (Roland Ethernet Audio Communication) to develop the SONAR REAC Recording System—capable of recording up to 40 channels of high quality audio directly input to a PC via an Ethernet port.
Roland Corporation President, Hidekazu Tanaka, relates, “Through this mutually beneficial partnership, both corporations have enjoyed a marked increase in sales and market share. As a logical evolution of our relationship, we have decided to increase our investment in Cakewalk by becoming its major shareholder.”
New products for musicians and professional audio producers will be branded as “Cakewalk by Roland.”
Tanaka commented, “This is an exciting milestone in the relationship between Cakewalk and Roland. Cakewalk products complement a wide range of our products and we see a great future with the plans we have set for our alliance.”
Greg Hendershott, Founder and CEO of Cakewalk, said, “We all look forward to working on new projects we have planned with Roland. Our two companies work well together and our respective customers will benefit from our ongoing collaboration. Roland makes great hardware. Cakewalk makes great software. The combination has the power to make a powerful difference in the world of music and audio creation.”
Mr. Tanaka also related, “Roland and Cakewalk will continue to expand our joint-product line. Together, our companies bring decades of experience in a wide range of music and audio technologies to the table. That breadth of knowledge will enable us to design innovative products which blend hardware and software in a unique and harmonious way that is uniquely Roland. New joint products will expand our business reach, increase markets of music production and illuminate new opportunities defined by our revolutionary new designs.”
sRa
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well from my computer programming days cakewalk would have to write for the x86 processor protocol for pc and also the unix risc ibm cpu apple macs and now the unix x86 intel apple macs processor protocols. the g would most probably use a custom risc chip. however since the collaboration between the two companies has been established for such a long period of time, the use of different compilers for the difference chip sets would allow the same source code to be used for all hardware formats.
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The thing is that not buy every synth generation. I for myself still use the fantom X (and I'm not very happy with it ) but I will wait until Roland releases the next workstation generation.
And there are a lot of wishes a would have...
...a good organ simulation (today you can expect that at $3000 workstation)
...a better piano (imo it is ridiculous if I have to buy an extension for a good piano sound)
...more polyphony (if you layer a couple of pad sounds 128 is nothing)
...generally better hardware (more RAM etc)
...a better sequencer workflow
...less weight for the 88-Keys Version (that was the main reason I skipped this generation)
...SD-Card (or CF again) instead of USB, maybe a SATA-Slot for adding a hard drive
...bigger display (no touch please)
...ALL (!!!!) XV- and SRX-Waveforms
...LED potis and/or motor faders
I love Roland but I'm not convinced of the expansion concept as it is. I think it is a good idea but I actually don't want to buy an expension for getting a good piano or a good Rhodes sound (or even organ). This is basic and should be part of the synth itself.
Actually I don't want a fully computer based keyboard. I like the way they are. But an additional interface (like VST) would be a great thing for a workstation.
regards, Dave
PS: sorry for my bad english...
And there are a lot of wishes a would have...
...a good organ simulation (today you can expect that at $3000 workstation)
...a better piano (imo it is ridiculous if I have to buy an extension for a good piano sound)
...more polyphony (if you layer a couple of pad sounds 128 is nothing)
...generally better hardware (more RAM etc)
...a better sequencer workflow
...less weight for the 88-Keys Version (that was the main reason I skipped this generation)
...SD-Card (or CF again) instead of USB, maybe a SATA-Slot for adding a hard drive
...bigger display (no touch please)
...ALL (!!!!) XV- and SRX-Waveforms
...LED potis and/or motor faders
I love Roland but I'm not convinced of the expansion concept as it is. I think it is a good idea but I actually don't want to buy an expension for getting a good piano or a good Rhodes sound (or even organ). This is basic and should be part of the synth itself.
Actually I don't want a fully computer based keyboard. I like the way they are. But an additional interface (like VST) would be a great thing for a workstation.
regards, Dave
PS: sorry for my bad english...
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THe thins Dave said are exactly the things i would like to see in a workstation (plus the possibility to trigger the sounds on an external keyboard while making the splits for that in the master, why can't we do that in the Fantoms?)
i guess this is a typical live-players wish list?
i guess this is a typical live-players wish list?
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1.) Sample based virtual modelling or just real virtual modelling even better.In case it's sample based,it's wise to be ''stream from disk'',not loading.
2)multi layering and splitting sounds easy(like kurzweil uses),including all their effects.
3)multiple articulation on sounds like kontakt.
4)software installation version of older synths ,by using a common protocol for all manufactors.( e.x gm/gs is for midi ,for synths would be something like '' Virual Keyboards'' )
4)better semi weighted keypad for 76keys (like A-33's)
5)Touch screen....
6) user scales tunning,like korg or like some arrangers have for easy scallings.
That's what i would like to see at next workstation.nothing less
2)multi layering and splitting sounds easy(like kurzweil uses),including all their effects.
3)multiple articulation on sounds like kontakt.
4)software installation version of older synths ,by using a common protocol for all manufactors.( e.x gm/gs is for midi ,for synths would be something like '' Virual Keyboards'' )
4)better semi weighted keypad for 76keys (like A-33's)
5)Touch screen....
6) user scales tunning,like korg or like some arrangers have for easy scallings.
That's what i would like to see at next workstation.nothing less
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I think a workstation of the magnatude your all speaking of is realy to much to be having in one place and for moving about with...
it would all be just as bulky as the neko.
I think stream lining is the key, its a waist of money throwing cash time after time to the next workstation after workstation.. when you could have stream lined it alot earlier..
I think the G is a good center piece now for building around.
you can expand it by adding a pc and DAW and use it all for music production.
its alot cheaper to add on than to keep moving to the next workstation.
it would all be just as bulky as the neko.
I think stream lining is the key, its a waist of money throwing cash time after time to the next workstation after workstation.. when you could have stream lined it alot earlier..
I think the G is a good center piece now for building around.
you can expand it by adding a pc and DAW and use it all for music production.
its alot cheaper to add on than to keep moving to the next workstation.
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"I think the G is a good center piece now for building around.
you can expand it by adding a pc and DAW and use it all for music production.
its alot cheaper to add on than to keep moving to the next workstation. "
My thoughts exactly,
expecting a workstation to do EVERYTHING, while possible, if you sit back and think about it do you REALLY want that?
Some of you say yes just like an Iphone does "supposidly" everything, in the real world those things that it does just arnt as good.
And ive lost my train of thought now, cant work out if its my ADHD or the beer thats doing it ither :S.
you can expand it by adding a pc and DAW and use it all for music production.
its alot cheaper to add on than to keep moving to the next workstation. "
My thoughts exactly,
expecting a workstation to do EVERYTHING, while possible, if you sit back and think about it do you REALLY want that?
Some of you say yes just like an Iphone does "supposidly" everything, in the real world those things that it does just arnt as good.
And ive lost my train of thought now, cant work out if its my ADHD or the beer thats doing it ither :S.
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Its always after 6pm somewhere scradge!
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Do you guys think The Fantom-G's USB-Audio interface could be updated from stereo to 16 in 16 out? This would help me consider it more for purchase. My Fantom-X8's keybed and buttons are finally starting to age. The Motif XS & XF do this very well via firewire. This is an important workflow issue for me. I work on the run at times.