Is this the Fantom G Good News! only forum??

[V-CeeOh]

To see another "Thread about Threads" in the Fantom-G Section makes my head hurt.
I would move it immediately to the Free Zone or at least to the Community Talk sections but I know I just would be acused of censorship.
There's a huge discussion in my country these days where journalists acuse the Government of having an evil plan to censure media who talks against it. The simple fact that this is daily discussed by all sort of people everywhere turns the acusation pretty ridiculous. I see a similar behaviour here sometimes -a lot of time is spent talking about how and who should do what, instead of actually trying to solve problems.

[jahrome]

I was trying to stay out this thread, but.... I do have some comments to make.

If you look at the first page of the forum, most of the threads are forum members asking for help about certain functions. SInce the Fantom G has been out for 2 years with no significant changes (other than multisampling, SMF file capability, and better implementation of the mouse...IMHO), most of the help threads are duplicates.

So I suggest some helpful threads by the more senior forum members similar to what Quinnx is talking about. These threads can detail how to get the most out of specific functions. They can be a sticky for a month. It can be like Sound on Sound Magazine and how they have monthly articles that break down a specific DAW function.

Or we can just keep the forum as is and observe people ignoring the newbie threads..but spending plenty of time debating needs versus wants of long time G users

[V-CeeOh]

jahrome
I'm sorry but I completely disagree. We rarely have "ignored newbies threads" here. And when they happen its almost for a good reason.
I have personally answered HUNDREDS of times directly to newbies about the "only 3 MFX" issue in Fantom X forum althought Art made a specific answer to that in the Help. The thing is that usually new members look for a imediate answer.
Most of the knowed issues of G are already documented here. You just need to do some search. That does not and has never prevented me to answer when I could.

[Anton]

I have to tell you some good Fantom G news:

I sold my Fantom G7 today for a good price. I didn't loose much money. So this is good news for me. I couldn't wait anymore for better days......

[Artemiy]

I wish about 10 other people also sold their Fantom-G's.

[Anton]

I understand that Art. I tried to help some people overhere and be positive but maybe I was expecting to much from Roland. I still love the synth engine of the FG, it is top notch! Maybe later again in a rackspace or cheap second hand G6.

Thanks for your great help on this forum and best wishes for you!

[piaknowguy]

I'm very sorry to hear this. Just out of curiosity, Anton, where did the G7 fall short for you? What did you expect the keyboard to deliver that it did not? What Version OS were you using? The reason I ask this question last question is simply that, in my case, the G's failure to recognize odd time signatures was one of my biggest struggles with the instrument, now fixed in OS 1.31.

PiaKnowGuy
Please listen to 'Storm Chaser' if you wish.


PiaKnow

[Anton]

Okay, give it a try:

I hoped it would be my all-in-one machine.

The biggest drawback is lack of good Hammond sounds. This can't be sampled well so there is no "escape". Therefore another unit is needed like the VK-8m. I prefer not to do so because of the all-in-one idea I had in mind.

Another thing is sample hell: Isn't it strange that a world class workstation is not able to import/load Akai or Roland samples? That you have to spend money for a third party software package to make this happen? We are lucky to have Nexoe. Also for moving around multisamples in different projects. Unbelievable this is true........

ARX boards? What three of them in two years....?. Next point.

Controlling external gear has also some problems. For example a thing like transposing external midi channels for external gear. Should not be difficult simple to add in a new OS.

The OS updates: I understand it take some time to fix things but why not inform us users they are worling on it? It's not a problem to wait for a solution, the problem is the feeling not be heard, to be left alone. And the last thing I stopped playing with my band. So no need anymore to move gear around.

At all not the strangest point, basic stuff I think. Conclusion: Get rid of it.

But it has a great synth engine and the big screen. That will be missed most......

[piaknowguy]

Thanks for the feedback! It is by no means my intention to dis-credit what you have stated. For my own purposes I have, however, found the 'G' to be a 'lean-mean-Hammond-organ-sound-making machine! =) A very simple way that I use the LIVE mode to simulate Hammond sounds is to assign each of the 8 parts to a simple sine wave at a desired pitch (octaves and harmonics). This, coupled with some rotary effects (which can be assigned to individual drawbars), gives me some very useful sounds, as the sliders respond like the drawbars on a Hammond in a LIVE setting. Sounds just like the ol' Hammond my parents used to own! =)

I often use the same technique in Patch Edit mode to create Hammond sounds. Coupled with LIVE mode, one can simulate a Hammond with 32 drawbar settings!!! lol

I do think that I understand you all-in-one concerns, though. These methods are a little more suited to 'live band' play, as opposed to sequenced back-up.

Cheers!
PiaKnowGuy
Please listen to 'Storm Chaser' if you wish.


PiaKnow

[Anton]

I use the same drawbars tricks. Works fine. Soundwise it didn't do the things I wanted. The weak point is the rotary FX. It's okay but not outstanding.

[Quinnx.]

shame to hear you did not get time to appreciate the G to its fullest potential.

So no sticky threads ...

We then it cannot be expected that the same question or topic will not be answered more than once and never repeated its impossible especial if someone new brings up the same issues or feeling on the mater or asks question as Why? When? how? etc..

People can then only respond with what is already known to them and the discussion of a similar nature starts all over again positive or/and negative.

I mean its hard not to repeat oneself since we are discussing the same hardware every time and unless something changes between now and then the same issues are always going to be raised discussed and debated especial from newbies and sometimes from hardcore Roland fanguys who finally realized the issues because it finally effected them in some way.

At this point I feel repetition cant be helped and is inevitable be it annoying sometimes even to me.

[Jimknopf]

I guess we have missed a good point in time for such stickies.

a) much of them could be pointless in the moment, a (even rather not expected) bigger OS update would appear. Who wants to invest much time in FAQs, overviews, workarounds, bug-, issue- and wishlists and the like, if that may happen, even if it happens late. We just don't have the slightest bit of clue.

b) they would only work in an open-minded atmosphere where the pure naming of problems would not lead to talking them down, denial, conflicts and the like as fast as it was the case in the past

I really think that all customer activity is just hanging in nowhere land right now and we have to make decisions on our own.

Anton has decided to sell right now, and I agree to each of his arguments.

I and others have decided to use the G for the rest of it's lifecycle to make best use of an investment. Bad news for Art, who would rather wish we sold right away and said goodbye. Sorry Art, but that's no way I deal with expensive gear. I sell my ARX-03 right now, but not yet the whole G.

Others get by with the G better than some and take it like it comes, with or without updates.

Against this background the next move has to come from Roland, no matter what it is (positive updates, or negative ending the G lifetime faster than thought by us, or whatever else). It is not up to us to do anything now from my view - not besides making the best of the G as it is and helping others dealing with it casually.

[Zephyer]

I don’t know Quinnx…

This forum gets a Ton of repeat questions all the time….

I don’t think the Roland Clan team has ever had a problem with that. The problem is…who‘s posting, when they post, how they post, how often they post and the nature of the post. If all these factors repeat simultaneously and have a very high repetition…

Then they start having problems….I think.

Also, you have to consider that a good number of the newbie’s start off by saying something like… I’ve been reading the forum and…

So therefore…we can not exclude the possibility that new members and newbie’s have gathered information from current members. And because they are clueless…the odds that they will accept the information given are not zero.

Furthermore, Roland Clan is one of the only forums of it‘s kind and certainly the most popular. So when one seeks to obtain user information about Roland gear. The odds that they will obtain the information from Roland Clan are very high.

And so, it is very likely that these new members and newbie’s will have already read the forums before posting. And because they don‘t know any better. They will simply repeat what has been said by others regardless of if the information is right or wrong. And just like having more lottery tickets will increase your chance of wining the lotto. Having more post of the same nature increases the chance that new members will accept the info they are given and spread it to others. Also, this means that we can not exclude the possibility that members may have been misinformed when entering a search word or phrase which returns a very high number of results from one of the most (if not the most) largely discussed topics in this forum…..

And because this largely discussed topic is overwhelmingly created and dominated by almost the exact same small number of members. We must conclude that the information gathered when entering a search which returns the previously mentioned results. Will be the opinions of the minority.

And so…one must not only weigh the visible… but also…the invisible. Only then… will you discover… what is… acceptable.

(Big Applause!!) Thank-you Thank-you…no…no. really guys. it’s to much…Thank-you Thank-you ;-D

Hmmm…I wonder if that could catch on?

[secret Roland agent]

I'm in there somewhere, Zephyer! . . . Upper left-hand corner, I believe . . . uhh . . . no . . . my left, your right . . . hmmm . . . or is that lower? Anyway, I'm wearing black!


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[Zephyer]

Hey..secret Roland agent!!! LOL!

You know…I spent the past few minutes trying to find you in there…should I feel silly? I could never find Waldo either though, maybe it’s just me….

But I’m glad to see you weren’t scared off by the resent Cyclops sighting. I guess you have to deal with all types in your line of work huh? Yeah…after being chewed by sharks and run over by steamrollers a Cyclops probably it’s that big a deal?

You are the MAN!