Opening the Wishlist for future OS

[The Audacity Works]

cyclops:

Now, something else: Does anybody believe that there could be a possibility to see nothing new about the Fantom-G in the upcoming NAMM show?

I'm sure Roland's working on a 2.0 OS for the Fantom, but if we don't see it at NAMM, I'd be a bit disappointed, but not surprised. Would much rather wait and have them get a huge update right.

[cyclops]

The Audacity Works: In that case then, I sure hope they don't release any major 2.0 update if they're not really ready for something like that, but give us a 1.30/1.50/whatever version which will address some of the issues that we've pointed out so far, namely the Sequencer section, file management, some other bugfixes and so on.

[Pharlopez]

TAW

Korg's Karma may have tweaked the tech enough so there wasn't an infringement

Right! That's exactly the point. I can't believe that Roland is unable to do the same. So saying that it can't be due to Yamahahaha's patent smells strange to me

Anyway, multiple arps or not, it's a fact that the current Fantom arp implementation is a bit limited. At least let us to program our own arpeggios, with freedom on timing, quantizing and syncing with song beat.

Add to this a more intuitive and useful screen for step lfo, wich is great imho. Maybe a mode with fixed note steps in the faders, and octave ranges in the pitch knob, instead of numbers.

Two simple things, a great enhance.

[The Audacity Works]

Think of it this way:

Three people are in a room with one door.

Yamaha opens the door, yells "no one else can use the door!", and leaves.

Korg spends years trying to reach an AC vent up by the ceiling, finally squeezes itself in, yells "no one else can use the vent!", and crawls away.

Roland basically has to figure out how to squeeze through a keyhole or break down a wall. All while everyone else is screaming "Dude, just walk out the door!"

They can't, not without paying a large license fee to their biggest competitor (if Yamaha lets them at all). Japanese culture frowns on that sort of thing.

I've spent a good amount of time researching MI patents and Yamaha's hardcore.

[Pharlopez]

Easy! In that case, what Roland has to do is to use teleportation and call to this PEYOTE (Phraseggiator bEYOnd TEchnology)



TAW, I know what you mean.

[cyclops]

So, who on the name of the living God decides what can be patented and what can't? The whole thing is really ridiculous. So, using this logic, the first synth company who used a sequencer into their synths could have patented the idea of recording midi notes on digital memory and not allow anyone else to design something similar, even with a different name etc. The same could be done with sampling etc. So, why doesn't Roland patent the concept of audio tracks so none of the other companies can use audio tracks into their sequencers. I really can't understand.

It doesn't make any sense to me, I mean the whole patent thing. It's obvious, when something is really designed for the first time, like Karma or Variphrase or something like that then the idea of patenting it makes sense. To give Yamaha the option to patent something so simple like multiple parallel arpeggiators is simply a huge, really big crap thing, period. Who allowed this in the first place? I mean, if I go and patent something like the word "sequencer" or "program" or "patch" or something like that, someone will decide if my request is rational. So, who decided this for Yamaha?...

[The Audacity Works]

International patent offices.

Lots of legalese, lots of slimy lawyers...

So, why doesn't Roland patent the concept of audio tracks so none of the other companies can use audio tracks into their sequencers?

Roland very well may have patented it, at least in the way it's currently implemented in the Fantoms, Juno-G, and MV-8x00.

That'd explain why the OASYS, M3, and Motif XS "audio tracks" are far inferior.

[cyclops]

So, as far as the multiple arpeggiators are concerned, Roland will have to come up with something really pioneering in order to be able to use it in their instruments and not having to deal with Yamaha's patent, something like Korg did with the Karma system.

[jessej]

Why are we discussing patents? Is anyone here an japanese lawyer?

Roland can make an MIDI delay and an separate MIDI harmonizer. They can make them chainable by the user. There you go. Patent workaround.

[Pharlopez]

Yes, I think that with the ability to assign phrases to keyboard notes and a sort of harmonizer or chord detector would be the solution...

..but a few purists will say (like they did months ago) 'hey you, heretic, the Fantom is not an arranger keyboard'. I don't think that these features turn the G into an arranger keyboard but they'd make a valuable tool for fun, inspiration and live situations. I really miss this functionality

[traxio]

Kurzweil PC3 has 16 independent Arpeggiators so I dont think Yamaha has patent.

Come on ROLAND!!!! Fantom G can be the best Workstation ever but right now I think Kurzweil PC3 and Yamaha Motif XS is the best.

More FX would be a very welcome bonus, look at Yamaha Motif XS!

Better and more Filters please! Yamaha is the best here to.
I dont think that the filters are bad but compared to Yamaha it could be a little bit better and many more.

If Roland can fix this I would buy it rigth now.

What I like about Roland workstations is that it is so easy to use, very good quality=never had any problem with Roland, and the Fantom G is so beautiful!

[Cesarsound]

The competitor (y) has just released about 350Meg of high quality Samples and lots of voice banks. All for free.

The XS owners are so happy

Read here:
Here

[jessej]

I guess Yamaha has been reading this forum and added everything we asked from Roland to the Motif XS!

Poster: Yamaha_US
"Also we wanted to make it clear that this release is just the first of a series of free downloads and new sample banks for sale that will be available soon. "

I hope Roland will do this too. It's on the wishlist and Namm 09 starts next week..

[cyclops]

Cesarsound:

The competitor (y) has just released about 350Meg of high quality Samples and lots of voice banks. All for free.

The XS owners are so happy

That seems to me like: "Yeah, look at those poor Fantom-G users. Both of us competitors (i.e. Yamaha and Korg) have released free sample libraries for our instruments, but they stick to their Fantoms, not matter how Roland ignore and make fool of them..." :X

As far as I'm concerned, so far Roland is totally absent as a manufacturer, period.

[BoricuaRoland]

I hope Roland gives something free like the competitors. Arx card with different instrument patches would be cool.